How’re the droughts and hosepipe bans going by the way?

Captain of the university debating team?

youngrob – Member

If we are allowed to have the oil revenue, it will only last another 50 years or so. What happens then?

Be like the Greeks?
Insist on being fed?
Waiting for handouts and with mouth wide open?
Blame others … preferably your neighbour …?

Put the Scots to hard labour?

Zokes; none of us actually hate the English; despite your often aired persecution complex. What are we blaming the English for exactly?

How’re the droughts and hosepipe bans going by the way?

He comments on Scottish politics from Oz.

It’s funny – the only time I’ve ever had this “all Scots hate the English” thing was when I was on a training course near London. Two of us Scots, about 20 English, and they couldn’t stop going on about it. It really was bizarre – they’d invented this whole persecution complex about how the two of us must really hate them.

Funnily enough, by the end of the week we were coming around to the idea 🙂

Hiya.

Opinion polls show 30 – 50 % in favour depending how the question is asked 🙂 This one commissioned by one of the leading lights of the no campaign. Salmonds nicely written “preferred” question gets higher than 1:3 aproval

the no campaign needs to run a positive campaign focussing on what is good about the union not what might be bad about independence.

Anti- English prejudice is around – no doubt. Not a huge issue tho

I ain’t even sure how I will vote in a referendum actually.

He comments on Scottish politics from Oz.

Gimme a couple of days and I’ll be a lot closer than that…

For two months only you’ll be able to imagine nationalistic arguments with me in your own time zone 🙂

Who’s getting cold feet? Ahh yes, another Little Englander with a Big Chip desperately trying to hold on to the long gone belief that England is better.

Couldn’t give a rats arse personally, but most people I speak to seem to favour independence, and not many of them are scottish. Actually, the only Scottish person I speak to regularly is terrified of the idea. Most seem slightly bemused by the concept.

And I might be about to break the internet here…..

the no campaign needs to run a positive campaign focussing on what is good about the union not what might be bad about independence.

I couldn’t agree more.

not my experience at all I’m afraid to say. Been to Aberdeen more times than I care to mention and every time there’s been genuine hostility based on my english accent – i’m not a cockney btw. My wife lived in Scotland for most of her teenage years and was repeatedly beaten up at school for being english, well until she hospitalised a couple of them after getting rather good at aikido.

Actually I think that’s just the way many people are in Aberdeen when it comes to outsiders. I lived there for four months until the grief I was getting for being from Glasgow got to be too much of a PITA (OK, that maybe wasn’t the only reason).

Why is is the English who start these threads; are you feeling unloved?

I’m a Geordie and as such, used to being unloved by Scots and English. I like it. I think a United Kingdom is better than Scotland trying to go it alone, so I take an interest in this.

Just think of the positives; how open politics in England would be; no need to create a fuel crisis just to hide corruption, because it doesn’t matter! The Tories will be in power forever anyway.

I genuinely believe the 2014 date is right as there is a debate to be had about this and there is a huge undecided % . Salmond needs to be able to come up with some detail and positions and be questioned on them. Of his time in power here its a mixed bag for me. so I am listening to what is being said with interest. Scare tactics from the no camp are rubbish and will not work IMO

Scare tactics from the no camp are rubbish and will not work IMO

Agreed.

But a little more substance and a little less Braveheart from the Yes camp wouldn’t go amiss either…

I really hope Scotland votes No, I also cringe everytime Dave goes near the issue and really don’t think he’s helping. But if the worst comes to the worst I’m firmly in favour of the border of any independent Scotland being drawn in a straight line between the Humber and the Mersey and Yorkshire on up being incorporated into Greater Scotlandshire…

…please don’t leave us with Dave, please, we’re sorry, what ever we did we’re sorry…

I’m firmly in favour of the border of any independent Scotland being drawn in a straight line between the Humber and the Mersey and Yorkshire on up being incorporated into Greater Scotlandshire..

I would have absolutely no problem with this idea either. I’d even vote for it. Why stop there? Maybe the welsh would want to join you in a United Celtdom?

It is only a temp separation anyway. Once it suits England the ancestors of King Alex the first will be “roughly woo’ed” and we will be back to square one. Or WMD found in TJ’s cellar (it worked before,not tj’s basement,the WMD as an excuse to invade a country)

😉

oops, the Dire Straits resulted in chewed apple on monitor…

great map!

I read the article that map came from having heard my flatmate tell me how well written and researched it was. What a load of offensive, ill researched bollocks, the map made me angry in itself.

Yup, pretty much what you’d expect form a Tory publication…

the map made me angry in itself.

You need to lighten up a little, chum.

that map is just a bit unfunny and a bit crap really.

I’m undecided. Hearing that George Galloway is fighting for the union has pushed me towards a yes vote though.

The Scots need the English to hate.

without us, they’ll just start fighting each other!

Couldn’t give a rats arse personally,

yet you can’t stop posting? You know there is a thread about obsession running today?

For two months only you’ll be able have to put up with imagine nationalistic arguments with uninformed drivel from me in your own time zone

there FIFY

really don’t think he’s helping

Oh he is. with Dave’s help, I’m sure the undecided will know which way to vote, and I hope Alex remembers to thank him for it.

Zulu-Eleven – Member

The Scots need the English to hate.

without us, they’ll just start fighting each other!
That’s England v Ireland in that picture, or North v South Ireland.
Knock yourselves out boys, the sooner they f off and start polluting the english leagues the betetr

TandemJeremy – Member
I genuinely believe [that there] is a debate to be had about this and there is a huge undecided % . Salmond needs to be able to come up with some detail and positions and be questioned on them. Of his time in power here its a mixed bag for me. so I am listening to what is being said with interest.

Agree with that 😉 if you excuse the mild edit.

The map is mildy funny is a childish way but completely inappropriate for front cover of The Economist and at a time when proper debate is needed. Sad to see the need for dumbing down. Following Newsnight’s lead?

That’s England v Ireland in that picture, or North v South Ireland.

You wish. That’s pure scottishness, that is. Scottish players (mainly), scottish owners, scottish supporters, the lot. They belong in scotland.

The Scots need the English to hate.

A lot of folk seem to be equating the desire for independence with “hating the English”. Which is a shame and misrepresents the argument quite a bit.

Personally I don’t know any Scots that hate the English.
(I was born in Glasgow and spent years living in Edinburgh and Aberdeen)

I don’t hate the English the English are just w@nkers

😆

I think Cameron is playing a blinder personally. Everytime he talks about being against Scottish independance support for it grows.

Pubicly he supports the union while privately knowing the tories will be in power in England for a generation is Scotland votes for independance.

The thing I don’t understand is, why are they bringing the famous Bahamian actor Sean Connery to campaign for them?

I’m undecided. Hearing that George Galloway is fighting for the union

Probbaly becasue if there was independance we’d only have english MP’s, so he’d be out of a job 😛

Doesn’t Galloway represent an English constituency then?

The thing I don’t understand is, why are they bringing the famous Bahamian actor Sean Connery to campaign for them?

Surely that’s a Tollcross tan, and he isn’t living in tax exile somewhere hot and sunny…

surroundedbyhills – Member

Devolved local powers to decide on roads, Healthcare and education make sense, but then Defence, national security and fiscal policy..not sure about that.

It sounds like good logic- but then you look at what an excellent state the economy’s in, and at what our armed forces have been used for lately…

I think this might turn out to be a key point tbh… Heard Darling talking today about the economic benefits of union but we’ve heard nothing for years except how the economy is absolutely bollocksed. And I don’t think we’re seeing much evidence of the UK economy becoming rapidly unbollocksed either. So threatening scotland with economic bollocksing may not be that effective.

BigButSlimmerBloke – Member

yet you can’t stop posting?

As it clearly irks you, it seems a worthwhile exercise 😉

Exports of Whisky have grown from £2.37bn in 2005 to £3.2bn last year

Will Westminster miss the tax and duty raised?

there are rumours of a “water tax” designed specifically to extract more revenue from the Scotch whisky industry.

I’m not in favor of independence as it seems to be very shortsighted, but I also plan not to be here in the next couple of years.

i think everyone has missed the most important question ever regards to independence if/when it happens….

who will Scotland send to EUROVISION 2015 !!!!!!!!!!

Darius?

And we can change the locks while he’s away…

Norway has a population of about 5 million same as Scotland and seems to be doing alright. What exactly are the Scots who support the Union afraid of? Having the safety blanket of UK public spending removed?

As a Scot who’s lived in England for the last 25 years I’ve yet to meet an English person who could give a damn whether Scotland is part of the union. Usual response is “If they want independence then why don’t they just get on with it”

What exactly are the Scots who support the Union afraid of? Having the safety blanket of UK public spending removed?

As a Scot who’s lived in England for the last 25 years …………

Maybe they’re scared of losing the safety blanket of having England to escape to for 25 years if things aren’t working out up there 😉