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barnsleymitch - Member
I had to stop smoking as part of my adoption process, kept it up for about six months then like an idiot started again. I understand, to a degree, where social services are coming from, but at the time I was less than happy with the situation, insofar as I never smoked in the house, and would never dream of smoking in front of the adults, yet was still made to feel like an irresponsible roadie murdering nazi. Anyway, five years later, I'm still smoking, and to be honest, with a thirty five year old and a thirty seven year old running amok out of their heads on too much xtr and an overdose of doctor who action figures, it's a wonder I'm not on crack.

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There fixed it for you

Posted 1 year ago #
Junkyard - Member

My parents smoked in the house when I was a nipper, and I grew up perfectly healthy

who knew you were immune to the ffects if inhaling those nasty products in smoke - perhaps you should donate your body to medical science.

Personally I dont see how smoking actually affects your ability to parent well [ex smoker] and given the outcomes of LAC [ looked after children] almost nothing could be worse than what the state provides - lowest exam results, highest crime rates, suicides - some trully tragic outcomes for LAC statistically.

Posted 1 year ago #
barnsleymitch - Member

Couldnt agree more junkyard. I'm not trying to say that smoking is a healthy option, and as I already stated, I have never smoked in front of my kids (or anyone elses, for that matter), but compared to the backgrounds some of the kids are from, having the occasional ciggie is pretty insignificant in comparison.

Posted 1 year ago #
Mr Woppit - Member

If I can find a tramp or someone even less suitable to look after the boys

Local priest?

Posted 1 year ago #
Junkyard - Member

Indeed there is. The more I learn of you on here BM the greater the respect I have for you.
Woppit do you never tire of religous digs? Really rather boring now - oh yes thanks for the pithy insulting reply to this as well it was dull as well.

Posted 1 year ago #
barnsleymitch - Member

I'd thought about that mr woppit, just need to buy a can of 'priest be gone' spray and were all sorted...

Posted 1 year ago #
Mr Woppit - Member

Science to the rescue!

Posted 1 year ago #
Sandwich - Member

Edit: 63 is far too old to be a father.

No it's not. It may not be your choice but don't seek to force that on other people. We have family experience of this and it's working just fine (being a fit sexagenarian is going to be a better father than a fat badly fed twenty-something).

Posted 1 year ago #
Junkyard - Member

Statistically elton will live to see him turn 10 the 20 something may see great grandchildren

Posted 1 year ago #
Sandwich - Member

The fat, badly fed twenty something may well live to see great grandchildren, what input will he have to his children's lives though. Physical activity is a large part of the under 10 years in children which the un-fit will struggle with.
With the right children the 20 something may even see great great grandchildren, with pregnancy possible for modern 12 year olds

Posted 1 year ago #
Cougar - Member

Messiah on a singlespeed, is this still going?!

Posted 1 year ago #
Mrs Toast - Member

63 is far too old to be a father.

Rod Stewart's 65 and got kid number 8 on the way, following his third marriage and numerous relationships. I'd say that should ring more warning bells than Elton's situation, yet strangely I can't find the thread on that...

Posted 1 year ago #
Mr Woppit - Member

I'd say that should ring more warning bells

Why?

Posted 1 year ago #
mr potatohead - Member

ask your mother , he'll know

Posted 1 year ago #
Mr Woppit - Member

mr potatohead - Member
ask your mother , he'll know

Unfortunately I can't as she's dead (my mother was female, although I can't speak for your own experience, of course).

However, I do find that the argument that Elton's child (and Rodney the Modney's children) will somehow have their lives blighted because of the likely outcome being that their fathers will die early on in their children's lives, compared to the norm, to be specious in the extreme.

Financial security is the best foundation for a good start in life and the best insurance for a secure life to proceed.

Many have had their lives as children damaged, often beyond repair, by abusive and/or poverty-stricken parents who nevertheless die when their children reach middle-age or beyond.

The only reason this thread was started (and subsequently supported by some) is homophobia, plain and simple.

Posted 1 year ago #
cinnamon_girl - Member

The only reason this thread was started (and subsequently supported by some) is homophobia, plain and simple.

Absolute tosh Mr Woppit.

Posted 1 year ago #
geetee1972 - Member

Whoppit you are a complete hypocrite! If you take the sentence you wrote above:

If I can find a tramp or someone even less suitable to look after the boys

Local priest?

:and substitue the word 'priest' for something else like 'Muslim', 'homosexual', 'black person', 'woman', 'disabled person' etc. I'm pretty sure you'd not only get flamed but you'd get lynched. And I would be leading the mob.

So why is it OK to be so prejudice against priests? Before you start calling others, take a look at yourself first.

Posted 1 year ago #
CharlieMungus - Member

Financial security is the best foundation for a good start in life and the best insurance for a secure life to proceed.

Yes, as some fab four once said, "Money can buy you love"

oh.... hold on..

Posted 1 year ago #
Elfinsafety - Member

So why is it OK to be so prejudice against priests? Before you start calling others, take a look at yourself first.

This is true. I actually know a few priests. In fact my aunt is one. And while I don't necessarily agree with all their religious views, I also don't see why they should be insulted in such a fashion. In fact, seeing as all those people I know are parents, I'd say they were probably very suitable for looking after children.

Silly Woppit.

Posted 1 year ago #
Mr Woppit - Member

Ooh. I seem to have touched a nerve.

and substitue the word 'priest' for something else like 'Muslim', 'homosexual', 'black person', 'woman', 'disabled person' etc. I'm pretty sure you'd not only get flamed but you'd get lynched. And I would be leading the mob.

...but not for "priest". So I'm safe from the wrath of the geetee-led mob yet awhile. Phew.

Actually, I was referring to those newsworthy of late and ordained, who are evidently paedophiles, as being more unsuitable than tramps (as jocularly posted by barnsleymitch). It was an aside, and nothing to do with gay people, who are of course, no more automatically paedophiliac than heterosexuals, so I don't QUITE know what your objection is.

I took a look at myself. I'm a handsome brute.

Posted 1 year ago #
CharlieMungus - Member

Actually, I was referring to those newsworthy of late and ordained, who are evidently paedophiles

Then why didn't you say 'paedophile priests' instead ?

Posted 1 year ago #
geetee1972 - Member

Ooh. I seem to have touched a nerve.

Yeah a little. I consider myself an aetheist (although I was brought up Catholic but that's a whole other story. Really) but I also try really hard not to be prejudice against anyone without really good cause (so I'd say it was OK to be prejudice against a facist gay hating, woman bashing, muslim mudering, child felching SOB for example).

I am all for a more secular society, but I don't think it should be at the expense of religious freedom. Nor should religious freedom come at the expense of tolerance of diversity. I think that the price of equality is that you will create an environment in which you have to allow certain groups the right to be prejudice based on (ill informed or otherwise) beliefs. It's like the price of civil liberties being that suicide bombers will have a greater chance of succeeding.

Actually, I was referring to those newsworthy of late and ordained, who are evidently paedophiles,

I know you were. That's the point; you didn't differentiate so your statement was based on the assumption that all priests are peodophiles.

...nothing to do with gay people, who are of course, no more automatically paedophiliac than heterosexuals, so I don't QUITE know what your objection is.

Precisely, but by not differentiating you lump all priests together as being paedophilles.

Now i've met you Whoppit and you seemed like a very decent chap to me (as well as a handome brute!) so I'll put this one down to a misunderstanding, but at the same time, hard as it is to do, you might reflect on whether you are prejudice against religious people, in particular Christians. Just a thought.

Posted 1 year ago #
Naranjada - Member

geetee1972 - thanks for your reply, it really helped. BTW I'm not being sarcastic. I did get a little bit wound up ...I had too much time on my hands yesterday.

And as for your statement "I’ve reflected a lot on this thread and in some ways I’ve changed my views" I too have had a similar experience, thanks to the contributions from you and others.

So, for 2011 it's out with the nihilism and existential angst (the latter should have been exorcised a while ago ...late teens I guess, but I'm heading for mid 40s FFS!) and in with a new era of positivity, acceptance and more riding of bike.

Hugs all round.

Posted 1 year ago #
geetee1972 - Member

The world really is a good place!

Posted 1 year ago #
eth3er - Member

Someone else's view, I broadly agree with, apart from the homophobia dying bit because it's dancing across most of this thread.
When stripped down to it's components parts though some people are on the whole objecting because it's Elton and David and they are gay and they don't like that. note *some.
It starts with Rightplacerighttime saying "father"; that's it right there, also being a shopaholic is one of the key indicators of bad parenthood? You live you learn.
There are a lot of kids who end up in the world as unplanned unwanted results of unprotected poor decisions, born to decision makers who don't get to be quizzed about their qualifications as life makers.
Some kids grow up with single parents, (however this happens, walkouts, death, divorce, ...) some good, some not and some not ideal (this as it turns out isn't exclusive to single parents) they might not all grow into the best people in the world but the idea that kids need a mother and a father is not a coverall. Some families with a mother and a father are not naturing hotbeds of small people incubators. As it goes we don't know the particulars of their arrangement.
However you want to paint it though making babies is not some special love ritual to create life, for some it's a drunken Christmas party, a broken condom and a baby in August.
There is debate though somewhere in there, but I think we're mostly blinkered by our own opinions and an unyielding need to be right based on our experiences and beliefs.
Geetee I get you, you have a very valid point but I disagree fundamentally because I don't think they are buying a baby (but you do) nor do I think of making babies as a sanctified act, because it mostly never is, but this comes down to experiences and beliefs.
Can I also be a handsome brute?

Posted 1 year ago #
geetee1972 - Member

Can I also be a handsome brute?

Well you can at least be an elloquent one on the basis of the evidence thus far.

Posted 1 year ago #
crikey - Member

How handsome is Whoppit?

I've never met him, but now I'm intrigued, although I'm not gay or owt...

Oh no, messed it up again...

Posted 1 year ago #
barnsleymitch - Member

I once saw a picture of mr woppit. He's certainly right about the 'brute' part, if nothing else.

Posted 1 year ago #
Elfinsafety - Member

It wasn't nice, was it Mitch?

I wanted to say what Ether so eloquently has, but sadly I am too angry and stupid to put such common sense and objective thought into words.

Posted 1 year ago #
Mr Woppit - Member

I've lost a lot of weight since then. (And grown a beard, which disguises the wattles.

I suppose, to be strictly accurate, I should have said "paedophile priest", but I kind of assumed that it would be obvious as to what I was referring, and the inclusion of the descriptive would have lessened the comedic impact of the statement.

I had in mind the Hitch's defence of his friend Stephen Fry against the anti-gay attacks of Anne Widdecombe and the Bishop of Uganda when he said: "I am perfectly happy for my good friend Stephen to babysit my children, but if a Catholic Priest in full regalia turned up to do it, first I'd call a cab, then I'd call the police".

I note that, whilst being hugely admiring of Catholic barnsley's "soft answer that turneth away wrath" tactic, he seemed to agree with me...

Posted 1 year ago #
CharlieMungus - Member

I've never met him, but now I'm intrigued, although I'm not gay or owt.

Maybe that's because you haven't met woppit! He'll turn ya!

Posted 1 year ago #
Junkyard - Member

will somehow have their lives blighted because of the likely outcome being that their fathers will die early on in their children's lives, compared to the norm, to be specious in the extreme.

Financial security is the best foundation for a good start in life and the best insurance for a secure life to proceed.

I am sure loosing your father in early childhood is upsetting. The size of the inheritance is unlikely ot ease this sense of loss.
i would say that love is th emost imprortnat thing a parent can give and am saddened that you value wealth above the ability to provide emotional support to your child.
eth3er you are correct some heterosexual parents are not very good. you also mentioned mothers and fathes - can I accuse you of being heterophobic now for saying this ? or should we discuss the issue?

Whoppit looks a little like this

Posted 1 year ago #
Mr Woppit - Member

Oh yawn. Hilarious.

Yes, yes. I'm sure young Zevon will experience a sense of loss, but that would come from missing a good father, wouldn't it? So no objections as to his competence, but that sense of loss comes at any age, doesn't it? He would still have had a good father.

What seems to get up our crtitics noses is that he doesn't conform to some imaginary perfect paradigm that doesn't include anything other than the usual "Mum, Dad and 2.5 children" myth.

I note that the BBC's chosen critic on the news was from the famously bigoted "Christian Voice", for instance...

Posted 1 year ago #
Junkyard - Member

yes my onl;y objection is he is not heterosexual and part of a nuclear 2,5 children family you are as perceptive as you are wise.

Throughout his career, John has battled addictions to alcohol and cocaine. By 1975, the pressures of stardom began to take a serious toll on the musician. During "Elton Week" in Los Angeles that year, John suffered a drug overdose.[101] He also battled the eating disorder bulimia. In a CNN interview with Larry King in 2002, King asked if John knew of Diana, Princess of Wales' eating disorder. John replied, "Yes, I did. We were both bulimic

he admitted spending £30 million in just under two years – an average of £1.5 million a month, the High Court in London heard. The singer's lavish lifestyle saw him spend more than £9.6m on property and £293,000 on flowers between January 1996 and September 1997. ..... When quizzed by Mr Hapgood [QC] about the £293,000 spent on flowers, John said, "Yes, I like flowers."

then his own quote about why he thought he would not be a good parent- cited earlier.
If you want to reduce all this to me just objecting to him becuase he is gay then how can I stop your irrational belief.
Certainly he would not meet adoption criteria due to the above and his age rather than due to his sexuality.

Posted 1 year ago #
Cougar - Member

substitue the word 'priest' for something else like 'Muslim', 'homosexual', 'black person', 'woman', 'disabled person' etc.

As an aside and at the rist of derailing this,

"Priest" doesn't fit into the same category as the other demographics there. People choose to be priests; being black, gay, female, French etc isn't a choice.

It's wrong to be prejudiced against demographics simply because people are different. If someone chooses to have an invisible friend and / or bugger choirboys however, I'm less convinced that they deserve the same level of respect.

The original comment was a joke, of course. It's in the same vein as cracks about truck drivers eating Yorkies and murdering prostitutes. Priests aren't an ethnic minority, they're not special, they've simply made a career choice. And in this particular case, I'd have more sympathy if the priesthood weren't intentionally, institutionally, trying to cover up abuse cases.

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