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  • Sir David of Beckham
  • binners
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    they only give to charity, to gain for themselves

    Jeez – I thought I was world weary and jaded! If you’re actually SO cynical that that’s what you really believe, then I actually feel sorry for you!

    And there’s no actual effort in redirecting the salary to the charity for him.

    …and you too.

    Remind me again why he went to Real Madrid (and subsequently LA Galaxy)?

    And your answer is… ‘the money’, obviously. He went to Real because Fergie wanted shut, and he could go and play with the best players in the world and win trophies. He went to Galaxy as he was nearing the end of his career, but could help raise the profile of the sport he obviously loves, in America 🙄

    IHN
    Full Member

    and certainly not really newsworthy

    well it is, because footballers are often painted (with some cause) as being greedy and overpaid. This is a story about one who is seemingly bucking that trend.

    Berm_Bandit – nice maths, you makes an excellent point.

    lemonysam
    Free Member

    So yes, it’s quite a ‘generous’ thing for him to do, but no big deal really and certainly not really newsworthy

    He’s one of the most famous people in the world, everything he does is newsworthy to a huge number of people. If it turned out that his morning stool was slightly looser than normal there are people who would report on it.

    What is newsworthy is not directly correlated with what you consider to be important.

    MSP
    Full Member

    It’s also not his only charitable donations. He doesn’t boast about it, and he doesn’t hide it, he just answers the questions when asked. He doesn’t pretend to be a saint, while actually being a bit of a **** and using charity as a shield like Armstrong or bono. He has had a very lucky life in what he has been able to achieve and the financial rewards have been considerable, but he has always shown an aptitude to give something back, and not just sit in an ivory tower lauding it over others.

    I really haven’t a clue why so many have a problem with his approach

    oscillatewildly
    Free Member

    convert – Member

    then expect hardworking general public to give what little they have to help, when david beckham/bono etc could solve all the worlds misery/hunger/death in one big swoop if they’d donate all their 100’s of millions

    I’m not comparing you the rich and famous, but as another normal hardworking general public member I find the fact you can’t find your way to give anything to charity a bit sad and unusually self centred.

    Does it exclude you from this conversation? No, but it besmirches much of what you have to say. I find it strange if that’s your attitude to charity giving that you have any opinion about the giving of others

    well it would be a shite/perfect world if we were all the same would it not?!

    im entitled to my opionion, and to be frank the ‘celebrity’ness’ of the word ‘charity’ is the thing that puts me off donating, i could give £5 a week sure, so could everyone else, but i dont nor do alot of other people, because life/and other costs get in the way…..

    if you give to charity as you obviously do, then hats off to you, ive far more time for you donating what little you can give out of a realistic wage, than what these incredibly self indulgent cretins give, in which i have no interest, other than the motives to promote themselves

    again beckham is a nice lad, make no mistake, especially compared to other idiot footballers- but somebody has told him to say hes giving it to charity as a PR stunt to make him look even better than he already is, and probably take the shine off the fact he’ll be remembered for that at PSG rather than his football skills (lack of) ;)`

    Alcopop
    Free Member

    seems like a decent guy and thats a great gesture,what exactly is the problem with some
    people??
    he’s signed for a new club of course the press are going to be interested he’s donating his wages to charity
    fantastic well done, regardless of your thoughts on the man I cant see anything wrong in that move
    but the usual whinge moan bitchiness starts FFS its friday theres bigger things to worry about than this
    have a word with yourselfs

    IHN
    Full Member

    but somebody has told him to say hes giving it to charity as a PR stunt to make him look even better than he already is

    You know that for a fact do you?

    MSP
    Full Member

    especially compared to other idiot footballers

    Maybe you should look at the work some of them do, of the top of my head Drogba, Bellamy and Adebayor seem to be some of the most vilified sportsmen on the planet, yet all give considerable time and money to charity and humanitarian projects.

    The obvious hate coming from some on here says far more about themselves than those they feel such hate for.

    oscillatewildly
    Free Member

    IHN – Member

    im not a hypocrite at all

    I say you are.

    You criticise rich people for not giving more (or indeed all?) of their money to charity, yet you give none of your own. If you think that they should give away everything they have other than that they need to live on, shouldn’t you do the same?

    he could have just donated it and kept quiet

    as has been said, he was asked a question in a press conference. He could, I suppose, have not mentioned that the money was going to charity, but then he’d be tarred with the “footballers earn stupid money” brush.

    Someone here has done something voluntarily that will benefit a huge amount of people. If you can’t recognise that as something good then, frankly, I pity you.

    ohhh get off your high horse sir, seriously im not the only one who doesnt give to charity, nor do i profess to be a better/worse person for not doing so

    people get so blinkered by ‘celebrity’ism’ when the realism of it is they only do it for their own image..

    great, beckhams giving money, great for the people that will benefit from it, but if hes so strongly for it, he could go far further and give millions more of his personal fortune to help the needy.

    instead hes using wages that are ridiculous in the first place that he doesnt deserve to fund the donation (that he doesnt deserve due to being old and past it)…

    i’ll stick to being cynical thanks, im not bitter, i still find it funny i find them all driving around in their ferraris’ and 10million pound mansions, they obviously need all these luxurys as a thankyou to themselves for being so kind to charity

    cynic oot

    IHN
    Full Member

    FFS its friday theres bigger things to worry about than this
    have a word with yourselfs

    Exactly; your spelling and grammar for a start 🙂

    MSP
    Full Member

    ohhh get off your high horse sir,

    Oh the ironing!

    BigButSlimmerBloke
    Free Member

    Just think, he wouldn’t have attracted all the negative comments if he’d kept the money and kept his mouth shut.
    then Oscillate Wildly wouldn’t have an excuse not to donate and some anonymous charity would be better off to the tune of £5/month or £60/yr or £3000 if he were to continue donating for the next 50 years.

    jfletch
    Free Member

    Before I start I’ll say that I unequvically think donating £3m to charity is a good thing to do.

    But I’d be interested what the French view of this arrangement is. The frogs have a very different attitude to charity than we do. The general view being they pay their taxes so the state should provide what they need, why should they pay again and again to support each and every cause as advanced by a charity.

    So do the French see the Beckham thing as a good thing like most of us, or do they think he has just deprived the state of circa £2m in income tax? (of which some of it would have been used by the state to support children in Paris)

    (I suspect that Beckham does get some benefits through not getting paid in France and therefore not being subject to their tax laws but so what, its only what every single one of us, and every coporation would also do)

    oscillatewildly
    Free Member

    MSP – Member

    ohhh get off your high horse sir,

    Oh the ironing!

    not really – as i think its great the money goes to the needy not more in his already very deep pockets, im totally for it, just not really sure on the motives other than for his own self importance, ala most celebrities!

    oscillatewildly
    Free Member

    by the way, good on you ‘normal’ everyday folks that do donate – hats off!

    BigButSlimmerBloke
    Free Member

    instead hes using wages that are ridiculous in the first place and doesnt deserve to fund the donation (that he doesnt deserve due to being old and past it)…

    no tinge of bitterness there then is there?
    FWIW, footballers are contractors and what they’re worth is amateur of negotiation between themselves and their employers. It’s got nothing to do with you. So whatever he is or isn’t past, he most certainly is not past convincing the paymasters of a football club that he’s worth several million to kick a ball around a field, even if it’s only so they can use his name to sell some shirts.

    Woody
    Free Member

    people get so blinkered by ‘celebrity’ism’ when the realism of it is they only do it for their own image..

    There is some crap spouted on STW but that and most of your other ‘knowing’ comments OW, are floating very near the top.

    Exactly how many celbrities do you know, and do you know any of them well enough to make that sort of sweeping statement? Strikes me that you are far more influenced by the media than you would care to admit.

    Maybe one day you will change your opinion when you require the services of one of these charities which your warped perspective prevents you from helping.

    thx1138
    Free Member

    And your answer is… ‘the money’, obviously

    So he’s a ‘mercenary’ just like many others then.

    Lets just doe the sums shall we? 3 million is 1.71% of a £175 million fortune

    But he would have got a lot less than £3m, after tax. So the proportionate to his ‘wealth’, he would have given perhaps less than 1%. I imagine many people on here probably give more than that to charity each year, and if you consider the ‘value’ of the unpaid voluntary work many people do, that figure is increased even more. So he’s not actually doing any ‘more’ than millions of others, just that it’s a higher sum. And there are scummy banks and corporations who donate vast sums each year to all manner of worthy causes; they’re still scum though.

    seems like a decent guy and thats a great gesture,what exactly is the problem with some
    people??

    It’s not ‘greater’ a gesture than someone earning £20k a year donating £500 a year to charity though, is it really?

    I don’t have a ‘problem’ with it at all, good on him for doing so. i just don’t see why so many people pour such adulation over him is all.

    What is newsworthy is not directly correlated with what you consider to be important.

    I’d much rather the ‘News’ be devoted to informing us of things which are important to us all, that way perhaps we would all be more enlightened about matters, and be more willing to want to do something about them. Had Beckham held a press conference to promote the charity he’d donated to (which is it, I have no idea), and highlighted the work they do, that would have been more worthy of reporting.

    I’m sad that ‘famous bloke gives a tiny fraction of his vast wealth to charity’ takes precedence over stuff like the situation in Mali, for example.

    aracer
    Free Member

    So for all those having a snipe, which one has done most for charity, Beckham or Armstrong?

    oscillatewildly
    Free Member

    jesus – im not against the charities they do a fabulous job, often unpaid!

    im merely on about celebrities’ and how it only ever comes across that they do it to self promote, again no need to tell the world he’s donating this money, he did it for one reason and one reason only, to promote himself/his image

    again ill gladly accept im a cynic and love to be proved differently by the ‘celebs’ themselves, but clearly as others in the thread im not the only one that thinks like this

    zilog6128
    Full Member

    I’ll read an article about Beckhams charitable work the day he starts clearing landmines in Kosovo or dodging bullets in a civil war ridden hell hole.

    And how did you get on when you did those particular activities Mr Bwaarp?

    BoardinBob
    Full Member

    Some really bitter, bitter fan-dans outing themselves on this thread 😳

    jekkyl
    Full Member

    he should keep some of that money and buy his wife some pies.

    nealglover
    Free Member

    Anyone can clear land mines if they have the bollocks for it.

    Crack on then ?

    Take a camera and post some pictures up so we can all see how much better than Beckham you are.

    seba560
    Free Member

    I’ll read an article about Beckhams charitable work the day he starts clearing landmines in Kosovo or dodging bullets in a civil war ridden hell hole.

    How does Mother Theresa fit into this measure of charitable work, the self-promoting publicity whore that she was?

    hora
    Free Member

    If you donated your time or money, why broadcast it to the world. Charity in the heart is unsung and unadvertised.

    lemonysam
    Free Member

    If you donated your time or money, why broadcast it to the world. Charity in the heart is unsung and unadvertised.

    Because he was asked about it.

    thx1138
    Free Member

    Why was he asked what he would be doing with his salary?

    Was he actually asked? Because in this clip, he appears to offer the information without anyone asking him what he would be doing with his salary:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21278235

    And he seems quite eager to point out that ‘it’s something that hasn’t been done before’.

    binners
    Full Member

    thx1138 – Member

    And your answer is… ‘the money’, obviously
    So he’s a ‘mercenary’ just like many others then.

    That’s what you’re saying. Not me. The premiership is awash with money grubbing mercenaries, as the transfer window has just aptly demonstrated. Beckham is/was one of the greatest footballers of his generation, and I’d suggest his career choices reflect someone who works incredibly hard, and is driven by a will to win, for both his club and his country. And about considerations for his family. One things for sure. He certainly doesn’t come across as someone motivated primarily by greed! As this gesture has demonstrated.

    But with your attitude I doubt you’ll ever acknowledge that. Some peoples comments on this subject say a lot more about themselves, than they do about Beckham 🙄

    alex222
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    _tom_
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    Lol, this forum.

    thx1138
    Free Member

    That’s what you’re saying. Not me… …One things for sure. He certainly doesn’t come across as someone motivated primarily by greed!

    He went to Real Madrid because he was offered a much more lucrative salary. He then signed for LA Galaxy for £125m over 5 years. And you really don’t think he was motivated by greed?

    Why didn’t he go and play for Leyton Orient or someone then, if he’s so ‘passionate’ about football?

    But with your attitude I doubt you’ll ever acknowledge that.

    I’m just seeing things with an open mind, and not through rose-tinted spectacles.

    binners
    Full Member

    He went to Real Madrid because he was offered a much more lucrative salary.

    Yes… I’m sure that’s the only reason he went there. Nothing to do with playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world, alongside some of the best players in the world, competing for Champions Leagues. I’d say with every move he’s made, he’s had many many equally, if not more lucrative offers on the table at the same time. I can’t remember, off the top of my head, if Leyton Orient were competing in the Champions League that season. Did they go out at the group stage?

    No, actually you’re right. You’ve got it all weighed up, haven’t you? As with most things 🙄

    BoardinBob
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    He went to Real Madrid because he was offered a much more lucrative salary.

    Actually he moved to Real Madrid because bacon face skelped him in the face with a football boot, and £125m over 5 years is nothing in football terms. Works out at £50k a week which is a massive amount of money, but half what the likes of John Terry etc are making

    thx1138
    Free Member

    Yes… I’m sure that’s the only reason he went there. Nothing to do with playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world, alongside some of the best players in the world, competing for Champions Leagues.

    His Real career was relatively unsuccessful. So why did he then leave one of the biggest clubs in the World, to go and play for LA Galaxy on a £25m a year contract?

    What first attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?

    No, you’re right. You’ve got it all weighed up, haven’t you?

    I think I have, pretty much, yes.

    IHN
    Full Member

    Why didn’t he go and play for Leyton Orient or someone then, if he’s so ‘passionate’ about football?

    Hmm, Real Madrid or Leyton Orient… Maybe he was passionate about playing at the top level, alongside and against the best players in the world and, because of his talent, he was given an offer that would allow him to do just that.

    Admittedly, the Galaxy move was an odd one.

    binners
    Full Member

    His Real career was relatively unsuccessful.

    Compared to your own, I’m sure it was

    thx1138
    Free Member

    £125m over 5 years is nothing in football terms. Works out at £50k a week

    Maths isn’t your strong point, is it?

    IHN
    Full Member

    Would you accept a $25m a year contract to ride your bike? I would, so why shouldn’t he accept one to do something he loves?

    deadlydarcy
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    I’m just seeing things with an open mind

    At the time of writing this, there were 58 voices on this thread.

    I’ve got you down as 56th least open.

    Only binbins and I are propping you up matey. And we’re fragile at the best of times, so watch out for when you hit the bottom.

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