Well said, Vickypea.

Can this be summed up by saying sex sells, men like looking at boobs (and some women like looking at todgers) and we as a society (almost globally) are probably a bit too liberal with it, but ultimately, that’s a pretty harmless video with quite good riding it.

Well I read all the comments (sad, i know) BEFORE I watched the offending video.

I agree completely with the comments about the over-sexualization of society and the objectification of women. BUT, if I hadn’t been told what to look for, I wouldn’t really have noticed the young lady’s cleavage at all. I was more interested in the trails she was riding and a bit annoyed because she kept locking up her rear wheel.

When I realised the film makers and their intended audience (presuably males) appear to be getting their rocks off over a bit of 18th century style cleavage I found it rather depressing. Its a bit like 12 year old boys sniggering over the word “period”.

Can this be summed up by saying sex sells, men like looking at boobs (and some women like looking at todgers) and we as a society (almost globally) are probably a bit too liberal with it, but ultimately, that’s a pretty harmless video with quite good riding it.

No. It can’t.

Would you like to try again?

no, not really. I think what your saying is that no person shuld ever be looked at in any sexual way?
I hope you never look at a women (ever) and think, hmm, she’s got nice legs/back/cleavage/smile/hair/bum* ever, otherwise you’re just trolling
*delete as appropriate

Sometimes I actually wonder how the human race manages to reproduce

In the mean time

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2478813/Warwick-male-university-rowing-club-completely-naked-raunchiest-charity-calendar.html

I think what your saying is that no person shuld ever be looked at in any sexual way

Wrong again.

Sometimes I actually wonder how the human race manages to reproduce

I wonder where my fish gun is….

No, seriously Crikey, what is your point here? I’m actually interested. Have a young daughter growing up fast, and I’m wondering what I’m missing. I thought you were saying that it was wrong that men (people?) were objectifying in a sexual way. Is that right?

No, seriously Crikey, what is your point here? I’m actually interested. Have a young daughter growing up fast, and I’m wondering what I’m missing. I thought you were saying that it was wrong that men (people?) were objectifying in a sexual way. Is that right?

There’s an 8 page thread for you to read, which encapsulates a number of views regarding the subject.

To recap; the kind of people who think that the original video is ‘harmless’, or ‘a bit of fun’, or simply ‘sex sells’, haven’t sat down with a teenage daughter who gets asked if she wants a shag while she walks home from college.

It’s up to you, you decide what kind of world you want to live in, and what kind of world you’d like your daughter to grow up in.

Go back and read the whole thread, see what people think, see what you’d like your daughter to think about your attitude.

alright, mr high and bloody mighty, reel it in a bit. I was just trying to understand further

And don’t start threads like this if you’re so upset by it all

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/london-ladies

Ah, you’re struggling with the idea that I could look at women and appreciate them, yet not approve of a crass, outdated, exploitative way to sell T-shirts.

You’ve got a daughter, think about the way she would like you to think.

(…and you’ve gone back through 3 years of my posts? Wow.)

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alright, mr high and bloody mighty, reel it in a bit. I was just trying to understand further

Your summing up was a fairly poor, if you take the time to read some of the points it’s not an all or nothing argument.

Got it, so I can look at a women in the street and think ‘phoar, look at the jugs on that!’ and that’s fine, but not if there’s an advertising slogan on the cleavage?

Somehow doesn’t seem right. I don’t care what a model wants to use to sell stuff, but I’d much rather every bloke didn’t think of my daughter that way in the street.

Tell you what, go back and read some of the posts and we won’t have to repeat the last 10 pages again. You should start your post with I.N.R.A.T.S or “I struggle with long sentences”

(…and you’ve gone back through 3 years of my posts? Wow.)

All the same…

No, I can just smell hypocritical BS. I think that’ll do for me, there’s not going to be any sense in this.

Edit – 3 years of posts? Well, it took 4/5 clicks of the mouse to find a thread I remembered, but that’d be it. Literally 20 or 30 seconds work. I ought to join CID.

Somehow doesn’t seem right. I don’t care what a model wants to use to sell stuff, but I’d much rather every bloke didn’t think of my daughter that way in the street.

…which is exactly the point.

If we have a society where women are objectified, where they become ‘tits on a bike’ rather than a person who happens to be a woman riding a bike, the kind of thing my daughter and thousands of women everywhere get subjected to follows on.

It’s ok to be attracted to women, it’s ok to think that they are sexually attractive, it’s not ok to use women’s sexual attributes in a crass and juvenile way to sell stuff because it’s insulting to women and insulting to men.

Right, I’m off. Been at work since 6:30 am.

I’m sure your daughter will grow up to feel valued for who she is rather than what she looks like. 🙂

😆

The day I wrote that I had to pay £60 or so; I’d been on a conference in London, came out and had a few pints, wandered about taking the sights… Then missed my paid for train home. Had to buy a ticket for the next train…

Looking at ladies is not without risk.

I start to feel a bit intimidated when the real deep thinkers show up.

I start to feel a bit intimidated when the real deep thinkers show up.

We’re wearing Speedos as well. Deal with that mental image.*

*GoPro footage to follow

Video doesn’t do it for me. Would like to see her in more conventional video with better music. Cleavage not required IMO. A lot of slagging for her riding style. Certainly better than mine, and better than most on here I suspect.
Not read everything, out of curiosity do we know who it is yet? I wondered if it was Anneke Beerten?

That “MTB” video is crap. The down-the-top aspect is really jarring and naff [and yes – the thin end of the wedge]. It’s pathetic actually, really low of the t-shirt company – they should be ashamed.

The Skiiing one doesn’t have any todgers of more than 3 pixels in shot [har har yes I bet it was cold] but it does feature a few shots of breasts, but I don’t think it showed much in the way of man breasts…

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against nakedness [done a bit of life-modelling, and there’s a documentary in a museum somewhere featuring several minutes of me with no clothes on and an AMAZING tan], not am I against sexual nakedness or imagery – but the latter is far from easy to find that doesn’t come from exploitation.

The figures for the number of women that have been harassed on the street are shocking:

“Catcalls, sexually explicit comments, sexist remarks, groping, leering, stalking, public masturbation, and assault. Most women (more than 80% worldwide) and LGBQT folks will face gender-based street harassment at some point in their life. Street harassment limits people’s mobility and access to public spaces. It is a form of gender violence and it’s a human rights violation. It needs to stop.” http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/

This is NOT unconnected to the objectification of women we see every day in pop cultures.

Then there’s the sex workers and the trafficking of women [and men] for sex – this stuff is all connected. Objectification, gratification without emotional involvement, all connected. Yes they have root in human desires, but so does murder and that’s not accepted.

Sometimes things just have to change.

Oh and for the record CountZero – taking and publishing that photo was out of line. Or did you ask the women if you could take it?

So Newsnight just starting with Emily dressed like a nun as normal??? A section on how feminism stands on the modern sexualisation of women. Probably phrased that badly but this is just a PSA.

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“Catcalls, sexually explicit comments, sexist remarks, groping, leering, stalking, public masturbation, and assault. Most women (more than 80% worldwide) and LGBQT folks will face gender-based street harassment at some point in their life. Street harassment limits people’s mobility and access to public spaces. It is a form of gender violence and it’s a human rights violation. It needs to stop.” http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/

This is NOT unconnected to the objectification of women we see every day in pop cultures.

Is it not? Because it’s been going on forever, certainly predates permissive/exploitative modern media. And it happens in countries where this objectification of women isn’t present in the same way.

debate on newsnight now about sexualisation of young women and feminism

Yo, I said pop culture dude – not modern culture 🙂

It’s connected alright – maybe not exclusively so but…

Interesting point though, I wonder what the trend for this is over the last few years?

Sexualising young women isn’t new, in many cultures girls would be married at 12 or 14 and often “promised” younger than that. In many respects it made sense as life expectancy was mid 30’s.

Oh sweet an Ancillotti.

Is it wrong that I was **** over the Ancilloti instead?

But in the age of instagram/facebook/Twitter/selfies is there any changing it now its so prevalent?

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat1GVnl8-k[/video]

Coupled with getting rid of our angst and embarrassment at the human body. It’s really rather pathetic (in the true sense of the word) that we are so hung up about and/or get excited by basic human parts.

Just let them hang out and be done with it – on both sides! The novelty would soon wear off!!

What this guy said, everything else is just left overs of Christian puritanism. The more you try to repent, the more you secretly want it – thus cognitive dissonance set’s in and festers slowly rotting the fabric of your being away.

Its not just men that look at tits…

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Northwind, I understand what you mean, and yes I agree to a point. But repression and exploitation are the extremes on the normal and we need to be in the middle! Maybe our grandparents were too far one end, and now were too far along the other!

I wouldn’t consider a woman of her own volition deciding to point a go pro at her tits to be exploitative. And trying to stop people from doing so because their behaviour doesn’t fall within the subjective bounds of your own morality is an affront to liberty.

Only one band appears to be doing so overtly. Why? Is it because they’re ’empowered’? Or because they are following a pattern of behaviour which they are told will make them more successful/richer?

Are you implying adult women don’t have the neurological processing power required to decide whether or not to be involved in “risky” activities?

Secondly, porn has been associated with a decrease in reported rapes. In a society where people are increasingly single and sexually frustrated due to economic pressures (young men living with parents etc) this might be a good thing. This isn’t to say violent porn is a good thing but I can’t see how it’s a problem, I’ve heard about a lot of stories in my time and I’ve never heard any stories about that amongst my peers. Also about encouraging women to act like they do in porn…. good old fashioned monkey sex can be fun and some women actually enjoy it, instead of going in the missionary and thinking of England.

Thirdly, society is exploitative on a far grander scale than women being used because their figures sell. Capitalism, that thing that produces the bicycle between your legs exploits cheap Chinese labour in a country where Health and Safety doesn’t exist. Women exploit men for money, employers are more likely to employ good looking people, we exploit animals and the ecosystem for food. The list is freaking endless.

@ Tom_W1987 – the following is a post made by crikey:

To recap; the kind of people who think that the original video is ‘harmless’, or ‘a bit of fun’, or simply ‘sex sells’, haven’t sat down with a teenage daughter who gets asked if she wants a shag while she walks home from college.

It’s up to you, you decide what kind of world you want to live in, and what kind of world you’d like your daughter to grow up in.

Go back and read the whole thread, see what people think, see what you’d like your daughter to think about your attitude.

What are your thoughts? You mentioned morality. The word is pretty quaint isn’t it? Does it deserve to be sneered at though?

It’s such a knee-jerk reaction to say that anyone who dislikes the video is hung up about the human body or is sexually repressed, or is filled with Christian guilt. I suspect those comments come from people who don’t want to think about exploitation of women because they want to feel guilt themselves.

And reactions such as “so are we not allowed to find other people attractive now” remind me of things my son would say when he was about 4.

Well this thread has made me realise…that people are stuffed. We have rampant misogynistic thoughts, good old fashioned knuckle daggers, pc hand wringing pant wetting gimboids and feminists who want to oppress other women as their way of empowerment through happily and cynically manipulating the male psyhce to make a good living doesn’t fit in with their branch of rad fem…oh and then we have those that would assume that no woman would ever choose to show flesh, therefore even if women feel it is their right to do so if they want , it’s still that they have been duped by society and have limited mental capacity to see this and need a nice protectve man to stand up for their rights. Then we have those with teenage daughters worried that boys think bad things about them….

Basically people are scum and I refuse to join with the human race or society you are all bloody freaks

I said i’d keep out, because this thread is going nowhere fast, but I can’t….

@ Tom_W1987 – the following is a post made by crikey:

To recap; the kind of people who think that the original video is ‘harmless’, or ‘a bit of fun’, or simply ‘sex sells’, haven’t sat down with a teenage daughter who gets asked if she wants a shag while she walks home from college.
It’s up to you, you decide what kind of world you want to live in, and what kind of world you’d like your daughter to grow up in.

Go back and read the whole thread, see what people think, see what you’d like your daughter to think about your attitude.

What are your thoughts? You mentioned morality. The word is pretty quaint isn’t it? Does it deserve to be sneered at though?

And yet the same person started a thread about watching hot women in London to pass the time.

Now, firstly I’ll say I agree wholeheartedly with what Crikey has said above, it’s not right that his daughter is subjected to that, and I think it’s a lot to do with what is deemed as acceptable as portrayed via images on film, adverts MTV and internet.
However, I’d probably while away the time in London in exactly the same way
What i do wonder, is is it getting better, worse or just the same as ever.

I think I’m with Tom_W1987 and Northwind on this one. Try as I might I just can’t get wound up about that video – mere titillation (pardon the pun).

I probably fall into the category of women who sometimes play to the stereotypes and indulge in risky behaviour – when it suits me. When I look back over the years and consider if I have ever been exploited in situations and relationship I may have been on a couple of occasions.

Would I change anything in my behaviour of my youth knowing what I know now about the potential to be exploited and what drives some men? Hmmm . . .no I probably wouldnt, only the time I was being exploited for my money.

Sex does indeed sell, because done well there really is nothing else like it. Unfortunately the nearest a lot of people get to sex is imagery and imagination and I guess porn. As women its easy to sneer at the whole industry that is there to serve this purpose for men as they are visually driven, this seems so basic when women are known to be driven sexually more by feelings and thoughts . . . . But really we are no different, how many women got off on the 50 shades series?

Dont get me wrong I am completely against ‘exploitation’ when it is complete and harmful and the person being exploited is poweless to change the situation – but as Tom rightly says it takes in many forms and we are all subject to it at some point in our lives.

What we have to do as a society is see the situations for what they truly are not label up a whole section of society and media as wrong. Its all part of lifes rich tapestry – indulge if you like, but learn to live and let live as some women really do identify with that imagery and embrace it. One thing is for sure you wont get rid of it unless you roll out some saudi-esq laws, but all you would achieve is removing the images not the exploitation

*small round of applause for the adjustable one*

The only thing I deduce from Tom_W1987’s posts is he’s not half as clever as he thinks he is.. most of the stuff you’ve “replied to” you haven’t actually understood mate.

Just to be clear, a childish video that’s 98% tits and 2% biking does not offend me personally. The point is that a lot of girls and young women are unhappy and stressed by the over sexualised culture they are in, and the expectations on their appearance and behaviour. THat is what concerns me, and it seems that a lot of you are saying you don’t want to know that because you don’t want to think that you maybe contributing to it.