If that is the case then it shows how broken things are.

More like fat old record execs made the decision for them

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Im guessing all the blokes that like the vid have the testicular fortitude to make their own video of themselves riding with a gopro angled on their meat and two veg in a pair of these?

Even if they did, the obvious difference is that even if they looked like the bloke in that pic (they don’t – even I don’t and I have the body of a god 8) ) not many women would be all that interested in watching the video.

do you have a solution?

Is it bromide that reduces male libido?
perhaps all the oestrogen in the water supply will reduce it?

I think you need strong women standing up and speaking out and also men rejecting it openly – really its more of an issue for emsz generation than mine , surely a lesbian speaking out on this you will be listened to by all the men emsz 😉 and 🙄 [ their attitude not yours]
It needs a campaign like the one against lads mags or a cabal of the young of both genders saying something about it and trying to change opinions. Currently it will be seen as normal as it is normal and it is everywhere.
Some of it is biology/nature so it will never be eradicated but it it is too OTT – FWIW I would include the Diet coke adds in this as well
It seems, sadly, that equality has , in many respects, meant women act liking the worst of male behaviour.

Its strange that , in many respects, equality has not exactly led to enlightenment and women are still the sex objects they once were in Miss World times. Nowadays we sell it as their choice as well as empowering – nice trick eh

ITT: Men telling women they cant go out dressed like that.

It needs a campaign like the one against lads mags or a cabal of the young of both genders saying something about it and trying to change opinions

But in the age of instagram/facebook/Twitter/selfies is there any changing it now its so prevalent?

It’s interesting that you will see a lot of opposition to the burka, and comments on how women are ‘brainwashed/forced/compelled’ to wear veils, yet when young women are pressured into dressing in a sexually provocative manner, in order to get attention/a new record contract etc, it’s ’empowering’.

🙄

Emsz I heard that one of the “positives” of porn was that teenage pregnancies were on the decline due to endings being replicated in the real world

I heard a joke to that effect too… 😕

mikewsmith –
the answer is a world that grows up a bit

+1

Coupled with getting rid of our angst and embarrassment at the human body. It’s really rather pathetic (in the true sense of the word) that we are so hung up about and/or get excited by basic human parts.

Just let them hang out and be done with it – on both sides! The novelty would soon wear off!!

Exits to find naturist trail centre……And to read the saddle sores thread 😉

in the age of instagram/facebook/Twitter/selfies is there any changing it now its so prevalent

I dont know what most of that is as it never gets a mention on Radio 4 😉

Change is always possible

emsz – Member

it’s like we’re sucked into this weird Porn/ idealised/bitch fest where pointing a Gopro at your tits is apparently ok behaviour!!! How brainwashed do you need to be??

Considering that it’s basically the most natural thing in the world, do you really need to be brainwashed? We are beautiful animals, it’s natural to want to look and to want to be looked at. Is our status quo of repression better than a culture of permissiveness? Is it worse to take photos of your boobs than to be afraid to be seen? I wish I was more comfortable in my skin.

I don’t think anything humans do is ever as simple as “it’s because of porn”. What is porn because of? To some extent the same things that make people want to look at nekkid people has got to be the same thing that makes people post on gw or dance at mardi gras or get their cocks out on chatroulette or whatever. If you told my ex that she was an exhibitionist and sub because of porn and men’s desires she’d laugh at you- I know because people love to tell her.

Course I do not deny that there’s a terrible side to it to. There generally is, most things done to extremes go very badly.

We are beautiful animals,

your stw group ride experience is very much different from mine.

your stw group ride experience is very much different from mine.

😆

Another interesting thing, is that the woman in the video doesn’t show her face at any point. If she’d so ’empowered’ and confident etc, why not show her face?

Considering that it’s basically the most natural thing in the world, do you really need to be brainwashed? We are beautiful animals, it’s natural to want to look and to want to be looked at. Is our status quo of repression better than a culture of permissiveness? Is it worse to take photos of your boobs than to be afraid to be seen? I wish I was more comfortable in my skin.

Possibly the point where my sister in law had to explain to her 12/13 year old daughter what hookers were as that was what she was dressing like mostly due to the strong female influences being women on music who were trying to excite a male audience based on an industry run by male execs.

It’s not a positive world out there, equality is not 50/50 on boards or men and women getting there stuff out in public, it’s respecting people for being people and judging everyone on talent and skills not tits and ass.

Northwind, I understand what you mean, and yes I agree to a point. But repression and exploitation are the extremes on the normal and we need to be in the middle! Maybe our grandparents were too far one end, and now were too far along the other!

I’m not going to comment on your ex, were all different and what is ok and normal for one person would be wildly extreme for someone else. When I suggested Skinny dipping to my ex once, she was horrified!!! LOL

Emsz. I agree with you entirely. But also, theres the fact that it has now gone far beyond just a feminist issue

The situation as it stands with the normalisation of pornography, and its associated imagery is as damaging to young lads too. There ‘s a lot of evidence to show that repeated exposure to it means that they’re becoming completely desensitised, and now think that pornography that would previously have been considered pretty damn extreme is a normal within relationships.

How the hell is anyone meant to form any kind of loving relationship, based on mutual respect and equality when some of the most degrading, and in some cases violent imagery is now considered par for the course?

And I’m sure the defenders of that frankly puerile video would bleat that theres no connection with extreme pornography. But to me its indicative of an attitude that dehumanises women, views them only as pieces of meat, and we’re all worse off as result of it.

If you wanted to see something interesting, get on 4OD and watch the documentary Date My Porn Star, where 3 British lads, addicted to porn, were taken to LA and shown the yawning chasm between their rose-tinted idea of the ‘industry’, and the pretty damn depressing reality

And I don’t have bloody Telegraph reading, victorian values about this kind of stuff. Its fine up to a point, but I think that some things have become so extreme that there’s a new ‘normal, and we’re going backwards equality-wise

If you Google image search ‘boy bands’ and ‘girl bands’, it’s very interesting what you get, in he context of this discussion:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=boy+bands&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=uqBvUpPvKImqhQfr14HoBw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1570&bih=929

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=girl+bands&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=4qBvUuAL0KqEB7yCgYAO&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1570&bih=929

The first thing we notice, is that there’s an awful lot more flesh on show with the girls. Why is that?

Ok, so let’s look at two current examples of popular boy and girl bands:

What do we notice here?

What do we notice here?

The boys let some muppet do their hair and the women look like they are doing stop frame animation of the YMCA

that and one lot are wearing only underwear

emsz – Member

Northwind, I understand what you mean, and yes I agree to a point. But repression and exploitation are the extremes on the normal and we need to be in the middle! Maybe our grandparents were too far one end, and now were too far along the other!

Pretty much exactly what I think. Though I don’t think we’re too far along at all- the extremes have got uglier but the middle ground is still full of people who’re scared to be who they are. But I reckon it’s wrong to see it all as a simple sliding scale, you don’t go repression – liberation – exploitation, that’s an ugly deviation not a result of the move from one to another. You can’t stop exploitation by banning low necklines- you just create an extra thing to feel bad about. But the more people feel comfortable and confident in themselves, the less likely they are to be exploited. They might do the exact same things but they’ll do it for their reasons- it’s not the action that really counts but the motivation.

I suppose it’s just that there’s no lines in the sand, no simple rules. That’s humans for you.

There’s a documentary from a few years ago (Hardcore) where a British girl went over to LA to try and make it in porn, pretty horrible to watch what’s normal in that world. It ends with the documentary crew basically rescuing her from being raped by the male ‘star’ as he and the porn crew try to bully and pressure her into doing stuff she really doesn’t want to.

Surely the comparison of images there is unfair, one is a band who sing (apparently), the others are from a burlesque show originally?

I dont know who either band are but you are you really questioning the broad point hat female bands/artists are more overtly sexualised than male ones?

What do we notice here?

That you chose your pictures to back up your point ?

You can make (lots of money) without the need to be good singers, if you can sell something else?

Both cover their music ability (or otherwise) with using sex/titillation to sell records?

The male form is less appealing than the female one?

The one girls briefs a briefer than Tom Daley’s! Wonder why he chose to wear extra skimpy budgies for the Olympics. Apparently they were made especially skimpy for him……now, there’s a thought!

But the more people feel comfortable and confident in themselves, the less likely they are to be exploited.

Exactly!!! I want to hug you! 😆

But it has to be ‘personal’ not because of some image or idea from a magazine. Not forced on you by someone else

It’s not a positive world out there, equality is not 50/50 on boards or men and women getting there stuff out in public, it’s respecting people for being people and judging everyone on talent and skills not tits and ass.

^^This.

But the more people feel comfortable and confident in themselves, the less likely they are to be exploited.

Exactly!!! I want to hug you!
But it has to be ‘personal’ not because of some image or idea from a magazine. Not forced on you by someone else

^^ and then this too.

That you chose your pictures to back up your point ?

WAs I attempting to make a point though? All I’ve done is post two comparable posed images of a boy and girl band, in order for others to evaluate them. What point, if any, would you think I was trying to make?

Both cover their music ability (or otherwise) with using sex/titillation to sell records?

Only one band appears to be doing so overtly. Why? Is it because they’re ’empowered’? Or because they are following a pattern of behaviour which they are told will make them more successful/richer?

Ok, so let’s look at two current examples of popular boy and girl bands:

pussycat dolls? get with the times man, its all Little Mix and The Weekends now 😉

Another interesting thing, is that the woman in the video doesn’t show her face at any point. If she’d so ’empowered’ and confident etc, why not show her face?

BOBFOC?

That you chose your pictures to back up your point ?

That’s impossible!

not sure if its already been mentioned but has anyone commented on the Valhalla ski video in relation to the OP video? It contains a lot of nakedness so be aware its probably not safe for work, its loads of fun and but in no way offensive (in my view)

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puSPHzcTvp0[/video]

Great video – and with Patagonia, who would have thought it?

Theres a little bit (sorry) at 1:50 where I though the skier and the tree would be getting a little too close.

I bet everything was somewhat pert and the end of that filming!!

What do we notice here?

An increase in blood-flow to my genitals.

My wife moaned that there were not enough dicks in the vid above when she saw it. She should probably read this thread….

My wife moaned that there were not enough dicks in the vid above when she saw it. She should probably read this thread….

He’s here all week folks. Try the veal!

There are various comments about out-of-touch attitudes and how young women today think that a more sexualised culture is ok and normal. They might think it is “normal”, but I disagree that they are mostly ok with it. From what I have heard, a lot of teenagers and young women are unhappy with it, and the pressure to look and behave in a certain way. The silly faceless boobs video might seem innocuous enough, but it’s the thin end of the wedge.
I also disagree with the attitude that those of us who don’t like the video have a problem with the human body, and are embarrassed by it. That is certainly not the case, and there is a world of difference between being comfortable with nudity and being concerned about the prevalence of sexualised imagery and potential effects on young people.

Well said. ‘speshly the last bit.

WAs I attempting to make a point though?

Yes, obviously you were.

All I’ve done is post two comparable posed images of a boy and girl band, in order for others to evaluate them.

That’s awfully nice of you.

What point, if any, would you think I was trying to make?

I’m not really into guessing games.

If you’ve a point to make, just speak up and make it 😐