but if you're suggesting that euro sceptic Tories are racist because they prefer the Europe policy of UKIP, that's just gash.
i think what people are saying is that the anti union english message is presented as more anti eu - ie its more we hate the EU than we love the UK
I don't think UKIP punters are particularly racist as much as xenophobic in the broadest sense of the word.
a good point andanother reason as to why they appear different to scottish ones
The only reason yes campagners see these peoples view as negative is due to their own misguided preconceptions of the typical English voter.
None as blind as those who cannot see
You are assuming the comments made cover every voter, they dont and no one has claimed they do- even though you suggested I had. It does answer your question as to why they are perceived differently.
Why the UKIP red herrings?
To answer his question. Are you really claiming its a fallacy to discuss the main [only] anti EU english based party when discussing english anti union attitudes
If you think Dave has been setting the agenda and backing the SNP into a corenr with the vote then it is a strange analysis which is beyond spin IMHO. The SNP wants independence and Dave wants union. Why you think a vote on this issues means the pro union lot are dictating the agenda is lost on me tbh.
you are only choosing to accept the UKIP view as that of the majority of Euro sceptics.
Yet no one has said this and everyone has gone to great lengths to point out it is not everyone but it still explains the perception/answers your question
How is a say a traditional labour voter in England who now feels that EU is distant and does not best serve them, and reckons that perhaps the best course for Britain would be to pull out amicably considered negative and your stance on Scotland positive?
Moving the goal posts as you are now asking a different question - though you probably wont be able to see that either. Again no one is saying every English nationalists is a racists UKIP little englander nor that no SNP pro scottish independent person is not racist. They are broiad churches. It still answers yoru question
No nationalist can come on here and yet put forward a reasonable case for this.
This is like debating with TJ now where you just repeat we have not answered the question. The fact that you do not "understand" the point when made do you does not mean they have not made the case.
Your broader point about pro independence folk being a broad church is undeniably true. However the reason the movements and key players are seen as different remains the perception caused by the public mouthpiece of the movement being UKIP who even a right winger described as fruit loops and closet racists.
Why not just say you disagree [ though it will still be the answer] rather than say you dont understand the answer or you think none has been given. Its a reasonable answer and way more credible than a Putin comparison.