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  • Question for the caravaners…
  • donsimon
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    Would you put a caravan (700kg) on the back of a Peugeot 206 1.4HDi that has 250,000km on the clock and then drive it across Europe?

    spooky_b329
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    From a quick Google the max towing weight appears to be 1100kg so you are well within that, assuming 700kg is the maximum weight of the caravan, as detailed on its vin plate. Obviously a larger car is preferable, but if thats not an option…

    Personally I would tow it a few times in the UK before heading for Europe. The mileage of the car is irrelevant as long as its well serviced.

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    the issue is can you get it up BIG STEEP hills and brake it down the other side whatever the rules say

    higgo
    Free Member

    I know nothing about caravans but surely the towing weight ratings include hills, even big and steep ones. And I bet they have a safety margin too.

    tadeuszkrieger
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    I’d say you need to think about how much weight in gear and luggage etc will be in the van as well. Gas bottles and assorted piles of stuff soon add up. just my opinion 🙂

    donsimon
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    the issue is can you get it up BIG STEEP hills and brake it down the other side whatever the rules say

    Where do you think I’m going to take it?? 😯
    I guess it’ll be slow up the hills but I’m sure plenty of people will be happy to shout encouragement to me as they finally pass me…

    Cheers spooky b329, it looks like a plan might be forming…

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    the weight is based on the unladen kerb weight of your vehicle you can basically go to 100% this and tow as much as the car weighs.
    700KG is within the 85% weight limit [ maximum is 1110kg] which most recommend so you should be fine but the alps may test it
    I have no idea where you want to go obviously but as you mountain bike I thought you may have gone to the mountains…then again i forgot how obtuse you were 😉

    deadlydarcy
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    Sounds like an escape plan to me. 😉

    How’s Kala?

    donsimon
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    Sounds like an escape plan to me.

    How’s Kala?
    It is and she’s fine, cheers. How’s Molly getting on after the attack?
    Thanks Junkyard. Me obtuse?? I’d never have thunk it. 😀

    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    Molly chased a big black lab away yesterday after he got a bit boisterous for her 😆

    I think it’s safe to say she’s good. She had great fun in Scotchland last week.

    Where you headed? “Across” Europe or just north?

    scaredypants
    Full Member

    now, where’s that video ?
    Ah, yes:

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW1ACzfUXjo[/video]

    donsimon
    Free Member

    Good on her. 😀
    To the UK, I think it’s a good time to take a break from Spain. I’m looking at setting up a company as a link between a Spanish manufacturer and UK users. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

    😕 What video? Aah! the car going up the hill then back down in reverse, no?

    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    Offer’s still open if you’re nearby.

    donsimon
    Free Member

    Cheers, I’ll drop you a mail later. 😀

    spooky_b329
    Full Member

    The towing weight of the car is determined by how much weight can be added to a trailer before the car is not capable of pulling away on a certain gradient. 10% gradient comes to mind but not sure if thats correct. A pretty crude method really.

    the weight is based on the unladen kerb weight of your vehicle you can basically go to 100% this and tow as much as the car weighs.

    Afraid you are wrong!

    The towing weight is unrelated to the weight of the tow car, although the general rule is the heavier the car, the heavier the trailer that can be towed. Some tow cars such as 4x4s can tow trailers heavier than the fully laden weight of the car, and many vehicles can tow more than their unladen weight. Not recommended though. Your statement does have some input when it comes to what a post ’97 license holder can tow, but there is much more to it this.

    missingfrontallobe
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    I’d ask the same question on a caravan forum and be prepared for a very long thread. There are several weight measurements that need to be considered when towing – the kerbweight of the car (not the max tow, that is different), the max loading of the caravan, the max weight that can be applied to the towball of the car, and the max load that can be applied to the rear axle of the car, and maximum train weight for the vehicle, that is towcar & trailer weights together.
    Common guidance is that for caravans, due to their high sided nature, a caravan should not weigh more than 85% of the towcar kerbweight for a novice tower, but up to 100% of vehicle kerbweight still remains legal but increasingly less stable. Exceeding 100% is possible, but usually this will be with a none caravan type trailer (think car transporter) which are greatly less effected by cross winds and overtaking traffic than a caravan. I’d think a 206 with a 700kg caravan will be overtaken a lot too!
    Noseweight on the hitch should be approx 5-7% of the caravan max load, but cannot exceed the manufacturers stated max hitchweight (noseweight) or the actual max loading stated for the hitch itself (usually Alko, which is in the region of 100kg). That means the 700kg caravan will sit with a noseweight around 35kg (5%).
    Rear axle weight of the car cannot be exceeded but is nearly impossible to weigh without taking the loaded car & caravan to a weighbridge. Noseweight can be measured using bathroom scales and a piece of wood equivalent in length to the height of the vehicles towball. Max train weight is again best measured on a public weighbridge and cannot legally be exceeded.
    When a vehicle has a max tow of say 3500kg, like a lot of bigger 4×4’s do, this is based upon engine & gearbox being able to cope with the description that Spooky gives, being able to pull away from a stop on a given gradient in the region of 10-12%. A very small number of cars might have a max tow lower than their kerbweight, but the 206 doesn’t stand out as being one of them. Some small cars don’t even have Type Approval for towing due to too low kerbweight etc.
    There are also a couple of obscure laws regarding length & width of the caravan that mean some big continental caravans need “commercial” vehicles greater than 3.5tonnes to tow – hence why travellers often use Transits to to tow their big Hobby or Tabbert caravans.
    So long as the maths adds up there is nothing to stop the OP’s proposal, I’d want to make sure that car & caravan are both mechanically sound and up to the job.

    IanMunro
    Free Member

    A 1.4 should be fine.
    Even with bikes on the back.
    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UCZF_UnG10[/video]

    mikewsmith
    Free Member

    simple answer – don’t put a caravan on a car at all!!

    You might aswell get sandles and a beard and some leather arm patches

    Junkyard
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    I think you will find I said it in relation to HIS car rather than explain the general rules which are far more complicated than one line would ever explain or he would ever need to know.
    Yes you and the other long poster are correct in what you say. It is 50 kg max nose weight according to Peugeot FWIW
    I have the same car and had the same dilemma I chose to not get a caravan as I thought it would just be a pain and underpowered tbh.

    donsimon
    Free Member

    Cheers guys now fight nicely…
    This looks just the ticket.

    More here.
    No problems with towing experience as I worked on a daily basis with trailers and could reverse park a car and trailer quicker and better than just a car. Was able to pull out of a snaking trailer at around 90/100mph and had a trailer nearly rip the rear end of the car because someone had loaded it badly.

    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    My eyes!

    (It’s not the vans per se, it’s just those **** graphics that are always down the side)

    nbt
    Full Member

    What;s the caravan? I’ll run it though the caravan club outfit checker if you like and send you the details

    NBT. (inept) caravan owner. I also have an SS. Don’t have beard, sandals or elbow patches though 🙄

    donsimon
    Free Member

    You realise that those graphics will probably help it put another 5mph on top speed and mabye get to the heady heights of 45-50mph…
    @ mikewsmith that could be a contender for he funniest post ever. I think my sides have actually spilt.

    @nbt
    there isn’t a specific caravan yet, I’m just looking. It’ll be a Spanish van, would the caravan club checker cover Euroboxes?

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    Will it really be able to pull a twin axle rig?
    I own one [pug hdi] and would not fancy towing a caravan tbh. I feel the trailer and that cant be more that 300kg.

    nbt
    Full Member

    BTW our 1.6 Octavia towed our Avondale Mayfly (950kg) up the glenshee pass. Slowly, admittedly, but it got there!

    nbt
    Full Member

    Just has a look for that Surveyor, and no it doesn;t appear – but when you do find somethig let me know, theyhave Hobby caravans on there which are German

    Need these details:
    CAR:
    Make
    Range
    Year
    Body type
    Fuel type
    Transmission

    VAN:
    Make
    Range
    Berths
    Year

    Entering those details gives me a range of cars / vans to choose from so any extra details you can prvide will help

    paulosoxo
    Free Member
    donsimon
    Free Member

    Cheers nbt.

    I feel the trailer and that cant be more that 300kg.

    What do you mean by feel the trailer? We used to tow allsorts using Escort 1.8 diesels and twin axle trailers, 10-15m of aluminium towers (scaffolding) and some generators that would break your balls just loading them.
    AWESOME tag btw… 😆

    molgrips
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    The towing weight is unrelated to the weight of the tow car

    Not entirely sure that’s true actually. I think that the recommended towing weight won’t exceed the weight of the car, but it could be less than it if the car’s underpowered. That’s what the towsure stuff seems to say anyway.

    However you shoud be fine, but 700kg is pretty small for a caravan. Either a very old two berth one or one of the small mini caravans.

    Having said all of the above – my Auntie and Uncle drove their three teenage kids and a 5 berth van all over the place including the lakes in a 1300 mini. No, I don’t know how on earth they managed it either.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    If you are in the market for a cheap cheap van, we might be persuaded to part with our 2 berth in the near future.

    nbt
    Full Member

    molgrips, don simon lives in spain…

    molgrips
    Free Member

    I know, but he needs it in the UK no?

    PS if that pictured van actually weighs 750kg I’ll eat my hat.
    PPS 2400 euros? JESUS!

    I think a trip to Spain is needed!

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    I mean the pug is not the best vehicle I have ever towed with IME

    molgrips
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    True but it’s his car, he probably doesn’t want to change it 🙂

    donsimon
    Free Member

    Changing the car is a question of time, something I don’t really have, and the van is needed for some storage work as I’m going to be based in the UK for a while and it would be a bit silly to pay for a house for 6 months plus when I won’t be using it, so I’m selling or carrying stuff.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Why don’t you buy one here? Will be cheaper, easier and quicker to drive up solo.

    nbt
    Full Member

    As molgrips – drive up without one and buy one here. no *WAY* if that surveyor under 750kg. 5 berth twin axle? It’s made by Forest River BTW, looks american, but still not on the club listsings

    molgrips
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    It does look American yes.. I looked at American caravans out of curiosity as my Father in Law was amazed we could tow with our ‘tiny little car’ (a Passat!). That kind is the smallest they do besides micro ones, and they all weighed 2 tonnes. I don’t think that is one of those though – axles and chassis on the US vans look really chunky and the wheels are bigger.

    donsimon
    Free Member

    I’ll be using it like a trailer for carrying stuff, but I haven’t decided if I should buy a caravan, a trailer or just try and load everything I’m bringing into the car and sell the rest.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Trailer.

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