>The problem with that is that the faster riders
>tend to get in some sociable chat while they're
>hanging around, but the slow guys at the end get
>no chance of a breather.
Thats cos the last couple of TBC rides I haven't been there to bring up the rear and to say – "**** 'em – they can wait"
TBH, the last couple I was on (Kips a couple of weeks back and then Inners this week), it's been me telling the fast guys not to hang about too long as we've been fighting the darkness on these longer rides.