It’s heartening to see that the Green Party is a good third in the poll on this site. I know that the people on here aren’t exactly representative of the electorate as a whole, but I don’t think that the poll results on TV and in newspapers are particularly representative either. Maybe there is hope after all? 😀

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2015/may/05/no-normal-election-dont-let-your-voice-be-taken-away-owen-jones

They can both do one,

All I have had through my letterbox this week is leaflet after leaflet from the smug **** that represent Labour and the Tories telling me that I have got to vote for either of them or the whole thing is a pointless waste of a vote.

Effectively they are telling me that unless I vote for these bigoted arseholes it doesn’t count, democracy is dead in the eyes of these self serving twunts.

Which leads to all the employees being out of work and on unemployment benefits. Which costs more, do you think? Which option adds more to the economy?

All of the employees out of work – nonsense. It’s a wild idea, but how about renationalising a few things and providing work at a fair rate of pay that way?

Hope not, Labour and a SNP alliance would spell disaster for the country.

I really don’t see what would be wrong with this. There’s very little real difference between Labour and Conservative economic policies.

but how about renationalising a few things and providing work at a fair rate of pay that way?

And where is the magic money tree that would pay for this / are you personally committed to paying significantly more to use the same services?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/11/scottish-financial-deficit-40-higher-than-rest-of-uk-data-reveals

Did you just add 20% onto the deficit for fun?

are you personally committed to paying significantly more to use the same services?

Yes. If it means that things are fairer.

I’m quite looking forward to it all being over to end the politics conversations.. kinda like the Wimbledon effect, everyone is suddenly an expert, statistics being made up on the spot and arguments which achieve nothing, and no-one changes anyone’s mind.

I know v little about politics, it doesn’t interest me so I don’t get involved, just find it annoying when people who know even less than me start lecturing the room as though they’re some kind of expert on the subject..

/grumpy old man at 32

Edit: Should add this isn’t me having a go at anyone in this thread, just what I’ve witnessed in real life..

or … in 48hrs a continuity coalition is in place and a wound-licking labour start the public bloodsport of a leadership stabathon. Can’t wait.

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All of the employees out of work – nonsense. It’s a wild idea, but how about renationalising a few things and providing work at a fair rate of pay that way?

But that’s not what you said. You said if a company can’t afford to pay its employees enough that they don’t require income support then it should be allowed to fail. If the company fails, what happens to the people who work there?

That is what I said – you even quoted me.

are you personally committed to paying significantly more to use the same services?

Yes. If it means that things are fairer.[/quote]
Then the poorest have their pay rise taken back from them paying for all the now higher prices.
There are many things not right but fixing them isn’t simple.

Then the poorest have their pay rise taken back from them paying for all the now higher prices.

In that case their wages would have to rise even further. Redistribution of wealth and all that…

Whilst on the one hand I’m fascinated by the process, and would like the Tories and the coalition gone, nothing will change that much – certainly in the short/medium term.

We’re beholden to a pointless and manipulative economic sensibility that worships the financiers like 2008 never happened. This is unfortunately bolstered by a press that knows how to simultaneously turn the working classes against each other whilst making enemies of anyone that genuinely has something interesting to say.

Columnists like Richard Littlejohn make my blood boil.

Eh? wanmankylungs finally been won over by one of the basic tenets of right wing free market economics? 😯

Sounds to me like he’s proposing a socialist dream of less rich people and less poor people.

Sounds good to me.

That is what I said – you even quoted me.

Ok, I’ll play along.
What should be renationalised and how much would it actually cost? I’m guessing that as a staunch SNP supporter* that you’re also fully behind their devotion to the EU? So have a think about the TTIP and the Investor/State Dispute resolution mechanism contained within. Consider that ISD allows companies that have their profits affected by national laws to sue the relevant government for those losses. Then tell me how EDF et al might react to news that the UK government is taking back control of the national grid, for example. Do you think it would be an inexpensive, economically sensible project that could only benefit the country’s finances?

*actually, I’m just making wild assumptions here. I don’t actually know for sure, but I reckon I’m probably not far wide of the mark.

+1 munrobiker 😀

Copied and pasted from elsewhere:

Labour caused the **** deficit.
No one cares about the **** environment.
Labour privatised the **** NHS and it is under pressure from all the **** immigrants that **** labour let in.
The universities put up the **** tuition fees. And there are too many **** students all monging about whinging because they can’t get a **** job that pays them their **** worth.
If you vote the incompetent set of **** that were kicked out 5 years ago then you deserve all you **** get.

😀

I am against the TTIP and the ISD with any right to sue governments is just absurd. My standpoint is very similar to the SNP’s

So you’ll concede that “simply” re-nationalising industries isn’t actually that simple in practice. I commend the intent, I just don’t think in this current version of the world that it is the best solution to the problem.

wanmankylung – Member

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/11/scottish-financial-deficit-40-higher-than-rest-of-uk-data-reveals

Did you just add 20% onto the deficit for fun?

Wind your neck in, I quoted directly from the article.

I predict the New Boss will be the same as the Old Bosses.

I don’t really care about the economy in terms of business doing well, or defecits.

Weird idea as without businesses doing well and a thriving economy we’d all be back in the stone ages and everyone would be in poverty.

Wind my neck in? You’re the one quoting nonsensical articles.

I kind of want the tories to win simply as I can’t stand the SNP and their supporters and want them to have as little influence as possible.

In my area its a straight fight between SNP and labour however, so labour it is.

Sure, they could be out in 48 hours – but they might not. The one thing the pollsters seem to agree on is that nobody can call this election.

I always love the rhetoric that comes about with elections.

“If X gets in the country is destroyed”
“If Y gets in the country has gone to the dogs”

What a load of tosh. If the Tories/Labour get in on Friday then we won’t vanish into a black hole. The world will keep turning.

Saying that, if the Tories get in then a lot of poor people are going to get a whole lot poorer.

I can’t stand the SNP and their supporters

You ‘can’t stand’ people because of how they choose to vote?. What a strange little man.

Saying that, if the Tories get in then a lot of poor people are going to get a whole lot poorer

and

What a load of tosh.

There is nothing to choose between Lab and Con on the economy. Having lived through recessions ’caused’ by both I come to the conclusion that despite what they say there is bugger all difference and they both have alot less control over it than they think they do.

Weird idea as without businesses doing well and a thriving economy we’d all be back in the stone ages and everyone would be in poverty.

Weird idea, assuming that the whole of human progress is due to business doing well and to thriving economies.

wanmankylung – Member

Wind my neck in? You’re the one quoting nonsensical articles.

Ah okay, so first *I* was wrong. Then I pointed out my quote came directly from the article, and apparently now it is the *article* which is wrong. Yet at no point do you provide any evidence to counter the points raised. Did you even look at the article? Thought not.

We’re beholden to a pointless and manipulative economic sensibility that worships the financiers like 2008 never happened.

Odd that we have two major UK banks considering re-locating overseas – are they crazy? Where else would they be worshipped?

they both have a lot less control over it than they think they do.

I think they know they have little control, just they don’t like to say it. Some really interesting work on network effects and why no governments of any colour can ever have as much control as they’d like to tell you.

Weird idea, assuming that the whole of human progress is due to business doing well and to thriving economies.

Feel free to name a country that has a bad economy and failing businesses, which doesn’t’ have high levels of poverty?

Feel free to name a country that has a bad economy and failing businesses, which doesn’t’ have high levels of poverty?

Feel free to name a country that has reverted back to a stone age culture and commensurate levels of material poverty?

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Chances are that agiculture, art, architecture, religion and warfare all developed before anything remotely resembling our modern mixed market based economy.

It a shame that politics now means no more than how much money the next stuffed suit promises he can put in you pocket.

Odd that we have two major UK banks considering re-locating overseas – are they crazy? Where else would they be worshipped?

We are crazy for putting up with shite like that.

If it’s a global economy, then it’s a global economy – so at some point someone will relocate somewhere else when it doesn’t suit. If that’s the proviso for selecting a Government, then perhaps they should go now?

Argentina has gone through some grim times and Greece isn’t looking to great right now, just to name a couple.

Ah okay, so first *I* was wrong. Then I pointed out my quote came directly from the article, and apparently now it is the *article* which is wrong. Yet at no point do you provide any evidence to counter the points raised. Did you even look at the article? Thought not.

My point was that even the article you quoted couldn’t even make its mind up on the figure.

rone -back to the question, if we do have a system that “worships” financiers why do they want to re-locate. Are they crazy?

Seems to me that we are screwing about with banks on a massive scale. We require them to match more onerous regulatory standards (correctly) while at the same time lending more. totally incompatible objectives