It's been done, with a model aircraft. Yes, it does take off. You've gotta be a bit retarded to think otherwise too, being as a plane isn't driven by it's wheels….. 🙂
Of course it would, it would need the conveyor belt to be the same length as the runway, it does not, as some seem to think, make it suddenly possible for planes to take off on the spot!
Yeah… and then you turn the engines on and it moves forward!
The conveyor belt can continue to move backwards at the same rate the plane moves forward, all that happens is the speed the wheels are travelling at is double the groundspeed of the plane.
Although groundspeed will be simulated by moving the wheels, this won't create any lift, as air won't be travelling over the wings.
Therefore it won't take off. Isn't it obvious?
Perhaps with a tiny model plane the surface of the conveyor belt will cause sufficient friction with the surrounding air to move a small body of air in close proximity, but this would be pretty limited.
Plane in a wind-tunnel would be a different matter.
What it should really say is "If you put a plane on a very powerful, very long, very wide treadmill and fired up the engines, then would the treadmill operator be able to prevent the plane taking off by running the treadmill in the opposite direction?"
To which the answer is most definitely, NO, they can't. The plane will be able to take off as normal.
The point you're all missing is that the little tug truck wouldn't be able to pull the plane onto the conveyor belt in the first place as its wheels would turn at the same speed as the belt and it wouldn't go anywhere.
The crucial point is whether you conceptualise a treadmill (moving under the plane and just spinning its wheels) or an actual conveyer belt which physically moves the whole plane.
Ahhh, but if you put your luggage on a conveyor belt some of it will turn up in Alacante three weeks later, the rest well end up on the carousel, empty, with your pants snagged on everyone elses luggage
More to the point if the plane falls off the conveyor belt, who should zaskar sue?
LOL!
+1
The crucial point is whether you conceptualise a treadmill (moving under the plane and just spinning its wheels) or an actual conveyer belt which physically moves the whole plane.
Does it?
– Plane sits on the conveyor
– conveyor starts moving
– plane moves backwards
– plane power up engines
– plane stops moving, although wheels continue to rotate
– thrust exceeds treadmill speed, so plane moves forwards
– plane takes off
It's just incredible to me that people don;t get this 🙂
+1 for GrahamS rewording of the question to remove any ambiguity.
Now.. imagine you replace the wheels of the plane with little hovercrafts so the plane isn't rolling on wheels at all but is in fact floating an inch of the tarmac…
Now.. imagine you replace the wheels of the plane with little hovercrafts so the plane isn't rolling on wheels at all but is in fact floating an inch of the tarmac..