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  • Paedophile Hunter on Channel 4
  • Ferris-Beuller
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    Have just watched it on sky+…. has this been covered on here yet??

    It’s left me feeling a bit odd… I remember years ago brasseye doing a satire that paedophiles are lurking everywhere, seems like that could be closer to the truth than I hoped it would be. Brave lads for trapping them though.

    Most only got a suspended sentence.

    The mind boggles.

    Bregante
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    I watched it too. Have to say whilst I couldn’t quite condone what he was doing (I’m a cop and know well how much work could be ruined by vigilantes potentially straying into lengthy ongoing investigations) a big part of me admired him and his mates for what they were trying to do.

    And the sentences shocked even a hardened cynic like me.

    loddrik
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    Just started watching this, I had to stop so I could watch it with the wife as she’d enjoy it too (not allowed to watch good TV individually!!).

    I think it’s great what they are doing.

    With regards that someone has committed suicide as a result of his exposure. Tough!! Let’s hope more do in the future. Rather the death of paedophiles and potential peadophiles than young peoples lives being ruined by abuse and abusers and them possibly committing suicide in the future.

    If it really is that prevalent, I do sometimes wonder looking round the hundreds of parents and grandparents on the schoolyard when I drop my girls off in the morning how many could engage in that type of thing? It makes me uncomfortable just thinking about it.

    Sentences should be far far tougher.

    hammyuk
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    They deserve one thing and one thing only…..testing their gag reflex with their own penis……

    steve-g
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    They don’t deserve punishment, they deserve…..Gun-ishment

    jivehoneyjive
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    Has anyone heard anything about any MPs being arrested yet?

    How about any progress with the CSA inquiry announced by Theresa May in July?

    project
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    it really is that prevalent, I do sometimes wonder looking round the hundreds of parents and grandparents on the schoolyard when I drop my girls off in the morning how many could engage in that type of thing? It makes me uncomfortable just thinking about it

    Strangely others will be having the same thoughts about you and your family life, and programes like that propogate the idea,thats why kids are so controlled and driven everywhere,because every man or woman is seen as a threat to their kids,but from recent press reports its those you trust with your kids that are the biggest perpertators, not families it seems.

    thisisnotaspoon
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    it really is that prevalent, I do sometimes wonder looking round the hundreds of parents and grandparents on the schoolyard when I drop my girls off in the morning how many could engage in that type of thing? It makes me uncomfortable just thinking about it

    IMO some people are just wired up differently, some people end up gay, bi, into S&M, paedophiles. There’ve been anonymous surveys that put the figure for paedophiles as 1 in 9 (by the strict definition of ‘below the age of consent’) steadily reducing through pubescents/pre/kids/etc! The difference is some people are also rapists (or statutory rapists), how the rest of their brain is wired up just detemines whether the victim is man/women/blonde/brunette/a kid.

    cynic-al
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    What project said. Programmes like this just heighten the paranoia.

    It’s well established that paedophiles were once victims themselves, and it’s hard-wired – not something they can get over/past.

    Great to see some mouth-frothing 4 posts in, great contribution 😐

    hammyuk
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    Mouth frothing? When you’ve seen first hand the destruction animals like this cause then comment….

    vickypea
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    I didn’t watch the programme but I was shocked by the recent report giving the number of computers that have been identified as having been used to view child abuse. It may be a minority but we’re not talking a small number.

    I was also shocked to see an article from the Mirror shared on FB yesterday about a bloke who was in prison for raping a 15-year old girl- he was disembowelled alive by 2 other inmates. Most of the comments I saw were calling the 2 blokes who did the disembowelling heroes and that they should be freed. Now, paedophila is a despicable crime, but if you follow the logic of the people who were commenting on FB, it is the only crime worthy of imprisonment. I was sickened by the celebration of violence.

    Cougar
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    On a point of note, having sex with someone under the age of consent doesn’t make you a paedophile. Paedophilia specifically refers to an attraction to prepubescents.

    Not that I’m defending other crimes, I just think it’s important not to start hysterically screaming “ZOMG, NONCE!!” and bundling all these crimes together as being the same thing. If nothing else, it dilutes our perception of the severity of worse crimes and we lose perspective (and also, the fearmongering doesn’t help).

    Compare and contrast, Jimmy Savile, Dave Lee Travis, a 16-year old boy and his 15-year old girlfriend. Only one of these is a paedo.

    (Not replying to anyone specific here, incidentally, just making a general point.)

    hammyuk
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    Not saying you are Cougar and its a very valid point. Knew someone who that happened too(he was 18, she 15) – Parents knew of the relationship, he stayed there on numerous occasions for best part of TWO years, meals out with grannie, etc. He finished it – MOTHER reported him! Prosecuted, put on register, etc for a consenting relationship. Judge had no choice despite not wanting to as “statutory”
    However the mess that the predator left a friends little sister in after his attack….. he deserved everything he got…

    warton
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    It’s well established that paedophiles were once victims themselves, and it’s hard-wired – not something they can get over/past.

    I’d say this is irrelevant, and I’m not sure what your point is here.

    Yes, I agree with your facts around the abused becoming the abusers, but does that mean they deserve a light touch at the hands of the law?

    I watched the programme, and I started off with the mindset that vigilantes could only cause more harm than good, but as it went on the guy was clearly outing people who were turning up at houses to have sex with shockingly under age girls, not by accident, not thinking they were older. turning those people over to the police can only be a good thing IMO.

    I’m unsure where I stand on the outing over the internet. I totally get that this action may lead to violence towards the people in question, but as a parent I absolutely would want to know if such a person was living on my street..

    Cougar
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    I’d say this is irrelevant, and I’m not sure what your point is here.

    Yes, I agree with your facts around the abused becoming the abusers, but does that mean they deserve a light touch at the hands of the law?

    I expect the relevance is, if they’re a victim themselves, is the just course of action to punish them or to rehabilitate them?

    Not sure as I have the answer to that one.

    AdamW
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    @thisisnotaspoon

    IMO some people are just wired up differently, some people end up straight, gay, bi, into S/M, paedophiles.

    Fixed that for you. “Oh you’re not straight, you must be weird/different/a threat to children”. 😕

    MoreCashThanDash
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    Some sensible points being made by some on here. Makes a nice change on this subject.

    jam-bo
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    What about the vast majority of abuse that is carried out within the family unit. That’s far scarier but I guess it doesn’t make for a good documentary.

    gwaelod
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    Did the Daily Mirror have 16 yr old Sam Fox in it as a topless model in the 80s or was that just the Sun.

    MoreCashThanDash
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    Thought all models had to be 18? That great quirk that 16 you can get naked and jiggy but can’t be photographed or look at other photographs?

    thegreatape
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    That law is more recent than Sam Fox’s knockers.

    I had conflicting thoughts about this chap and his team, seeing it from the police perspective as well. How about the chap who had been chatting up a lass via a site for over 18s, and then at the last minute was told by them she was underage. He said bollocks to that and went to leave the meeting place, but they ambushed him and exposed him anyway.

    At the end of the programme, I thought that if its broadcast makes more people aware of what they’re doing, then more prospective offenders might be deterred by the risk of getting stung in this way, and have second thoughts, so less kids harmed? Maybe.

    warton
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    How about the chap who had been chatting up a lass via a site for over 18s, and then at the last minute was told by them she was underage. He said bollocks to that and went to leave the meeting place, but they ambushed him and exposed him anyway.

    that’s not what happened, they had recorded messages between him and the ‘girl’ where she repeatably hold him she was 12 (and autistic).

    thegreatape
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    It wasn’t one of the blokes on the C4 programme I was referring to, it was one I was reading about afterwards. However, I am mistaken in so far as it was a different vigilante, not the chap off the programme.

    The Daemon Hunter vigilante who targeted Peter in Staffordshire used the slogan “Public against paedos”. He pretended to be interested in his target on an adult dating site and they arranged to meet in a branch of Costa coffee. Peter thought he was meeting an 18-year-old, and insists he is not a paedophile or child groomer. Only when he was waiting in the cafe did a text come through saying “she” was 15 and that he immediately got up and left.

    It was then that Daemon Hunter accosted him in the street, accused him of trying to meet a 15-year-old for sex, and chased him through town filming him. Peter told the Guardian: “He said: ‘I think we need to talk because you’re a **** paedophile.’ I said: ‘What do you mean mate? She’s 18, that’s what I was told. I’ve just had a text message up there saying she’s 15 and that’s why I’ve walked away.’ Next thing I know he got his phone up filming me, calling me a paedophile, asking her age. I was shocked. He started shouting I was a paedophile in the middle of town. I thought ‘I am going to get a kicking here’ so I just legged it.”

    Within hours, the vigilante uploaded footage of the sting on to the internet along with Peter’s mobile number. That night his phone was jammed with abusive texts and voicemails, which he said included death threats.

    So he fled north in his car, only returning when he thought the worst was over. Later, he said his house was hit with bricks and that his wife tried to kill herself with an overdose of pills. He was so scared he was reduced to hiding in a cupboard when the doorbell rang.

    Staffordshire police reviewed the evidence and concluded there was no case for any prosecution, but the damage was done. More than 5,000 people viewed the film and Peter has now moved to the other side of the country, cut off from family, friends and work.

    From here http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/25/vigilante-paedophile-hunters-online-police

    warton
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    thegreatape, yeah thats pretty grim, and totally wrong 🙁

    kudos100
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    If it really is that prevalent, I do sometimes wonder looking round the hundreds of parents and grandparents on the schoolyard when I drop my girls off in the morning how many could engage in that type of thing? It makes me uncomfortable just thinking about it.

    I work for a mental health charity and recently we had a training course on working with people on the sex offenders register.

    I didn’t go on the training as I have no sympathy for people who sexually abuse women and children, mental health problems or not.

    What I did hear were some statistics and fact about abusers. One in particular stood out. Something like 20’000 people are on the sex offenders register in the South of England.

    Bear in mind this is people who have been caught and put on the register.

    I also read a report on sex offenders which blew my mind and disgusted me. Due to the huge numbers of people who commit crimes of a sexual nature, only the most serious are monitored (multiple rape of a minor, murder etc)

    There are so many people about who watch child pornography, or have committed minor offences against women and children (in the eyes of the law) they simply do not have the resources to deal with them so use a system to categorize how likely they are to reoffend.

    I got pretty upset reading how this system works and I think most people would be outraged if they knew about it.

    csb
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    Kudos – haven’t you just left yourself ignorant of the approaches that might help you do a better job? Or do you have the right in work to refuse clients on the basis of their diagnosis not meeting your personal preferences?

    crankboy
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    Lots of crimes can get you on the sex offenders register not all people on the register are pediatrcians.

    Given that sex offenders exist in society and indeed are created in and by society I think it is incumbent on those who have the skills to do so to work with them and indeed for them . To manage their condition and risk.

    The “Hunter” program and indeed mindset is probably counter productive and seems more about the “Hunter’s” ego and personality issues than any attempt to actually do something of use.

    Crankboy working with and for offenders and their victim’s on and off since 88.

    athgray
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    [video]http://youtu.be/jaUkt59vY1Q[/video]

    RaveyDavey
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    Lots of crimes can get you on the sex offenders register not all people on the register are pediatrcians

    Eh?

    thegreatape
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    Lots of crimes can get you on the sex offenders register not all people on the register are pediatrcians.

    Ah, good old Portsmouth – those were the days 😀

    Junkyard
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    What crankboy said and csb
    Kudos most of us have no sympathy for them but we still have to do outr jobs

    You now do your job worse and possibly [ no offence or internet warrior abuse meant here so forgive me for how that reads] people are more at risk not less.

    Personally I dont disagree with you but if you cannot do all aspects of your work you need to do another job.

    My work means that i occasionally work with sex offenders. I cannot say I enjoy it but I do my best.

    monkeychild
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    I felt a bit uneasy watching the program (watched it last night). I get what they are doing, but I did think it was more for them (egos, etc) rather than the “greater good”.

    deepreddave
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    Mixed feelings here as well, whilst I’m all for preventing these individuals offending (and seems unlikely he happened upon their first such contact)I reckon most of them were a little short of smarts given they’d travelled miles to meet an under age girl whilst her parents were out. I found myself thinking the main point is that the Police really should be sufficiently funded to catch such people – I’m guessing the funding is woefully inadequate, anyone have any facts on this? I also found the suspended sentences a little shocking too but I often do struggle with the apparent leniency of our legal system.

    I decided I had little sympathy for those outed on the internet and that it was an overly reckless thing to do, then again the suspended sentences run counter to that as the publicity of the offence could well be limited or the perpetrator simply moves on. Tricky!

    Drac
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    What crankboy said and csb
    Kudos most of us have no sympathy for them but we still have to do outr jobs

    This. Yes I’ve dealt with the victims, families and the culprit themselves on many levels.

    cubist
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    I think the Stinson chap seemed to be rather messed up himself so just putting down to ‘stroking his own ego’ is a tad simplistic. Personally I would have been likely to have ‘gone medieval’ on some of the scum they had through the door and I am sure a large proportion of society would feel the same. Hence we have a police force to deal with the situation – if only they had enough funding to do so.

    If the issue really is as prevalent as the current spate of news stories etc… would have us believe then surely media causing outrage (like Stinson Hunter et al.) can only help the police secure funding by making the issue a political hot topic.

    MrsToast
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    Did the Daily Mirror have 16 yr old Sam Fox in it as a topless model in the 80s or was that just the Sun.

    IIRC, I think she was actually 15 when her mother took photos of her, but had just hit 16 when her mother submitted them to a competition in The Sun. She retired from topless modelling at the grand old age of 20 – I think models have to be 18 now though.

    gobuchul
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    What ever your opinion on page 3 and the questionable morals of semi naked teenage girls, a 15 year old Sam Fox would be of been of absolute no interest to a pedophile, as very obviously she had been through puberty.

    crankboy
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    People are probably missing the suspended sentence point .Give someone an immediate sentence and in very crude terms there comes a point when the offender is released . The offender can be worked on in prison to challenge/change his behavior but may not cooperate . Prison especially with specialist security and courses is very expensive. Sex offenders are kept together and can share info victim details and plans. Ultimately they come out to little support few positives in life and a readymade network of like minds.
    A suspended sentence imposes the prison term and suspends it subject to the compulsion to be supervised and do the intensive courses. Failure to cooperate or further offending leads to imposition of the jail time. Suspended sentences preserve preserve and reenforce the posatives in the offenders life and challenge the negatives . They are cheeper and more effective at preventing reoffending. Aside from the pleasure of revenge what’s not to like

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