TJ - I give up, and I don't know what world you live in, but its nothing like mine - what's it like to be perfect?
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ot: 50cc scooters - any thoughts? Peugeots ok?
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Posted 6 months ago #
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TJ: Ok, so we agree the superior acceleration a two-wheeler has can get you out of trouble.
You feel it's only when the rider has ballsed-up.
I agree, but believe, and have experienced, there are times when acceleration can save your arse when you have done nothing wrong.
Guess we'll have to agree to differ
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White101 ..just for your info my missus's honda sfx50 will buzz up any devon hill no problem and probably 2 up !( and it's not restricted) )
really enjoyed FLOW V TANDEM thanks gents !
with regards to your insurance claim flow I can assure you that if you'd injured / or killed someone and a claim was being made against you your insurers would have been most interested in whether your bike had been modified and not declared because they don't want to pay out unless they have to!
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BR - its simply that I have never been in the situation of acceleration saving me from an accident apart from when I have been going thru a closing gap which is a misjudgement.
Oh I ain't perfect - despite averaging 75mph on a roads I couldn't keep up with my mates.
I cannoot even think of a situation where it would be so - perhaps you could enlighten me?
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kaiser
really enjoyed FLOW V TANDEM thanks gents !
*takes a bow*
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Really TJ coming from one "old man" to another I don't know how you can be bothered with all these arguments ..I gave up years ago for a quieter life! B####y Funny though!
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It can be as simple and subtle as making sure you stay out of the blind spot of another road user
I'm acutely aware of this at all times - perhaps from cycling - and I've always found braking to be far more effective at keeping oneself out of a blind spot.
I suspect that having the power on tap tempts one to use it, when braking would do just fine.
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Think I'd agree with TJ btw, I can't think of any time I had to power my way out of a dicey situation where it couldn't have been avoided in a better way, with a bit more foresight or better action preceeding it. Not to say that I'd consider that to be neccesarily an error, you can't always act correctly but I reckon that using power to get out of trouble is something I've only ever had to do after missing other opportunities to get out of trouble, or not get into trouble.
I spent a long time on a dog-slow 4-stroke 125 and a bit of time on scooters and tbh I never felt that the lack of acceleration was unsafe. Drivers seemed to react badly to the scooter, definately felt looked down on which I never did on the 125 (since it looked like a proper bike)
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Drivers seemed to react badly to the scooter
You sure it was a scooter and not a moped ?
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Definately a scooter.
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What's a moped? Is it like a scooter?
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TJ deliberately winds people up and then reports them to the mods to be banned when they get upset shocker
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I have not reported anyone to the mods. I don't report people for getting cross with me ever.
I only report offensive racist sexist or other ist posts.Posted 6 months ago # -
Liar, you did the same to me, remember?
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I know the truth - you can ask the mods but I do not report people for getting cross with me and I have not reported flow if he got himself banned.
He was however asking for a banning posting far outside the rules and the mods might have seen it - but I did not report himEdit - I don't remember reporting you. what for?
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a moped yesterday ...... note the pedals
scooter
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A mate of mine from our Club bought one of these back from France, it's a Solex, anyway he thought he'd be able to ride it without a helmet until Plod got hold of him. Seems in France you can ride it without a helmet as it's under some CC or other.
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in most of mainland you can ride under 26kph without a helmet, licence , mot , tax or insurance
im in holland atm and some of the contraptions they have are mental
but they have the cycle path infrastructure to allow it(and the rules in place to stop folk cluttering up the roads with them). in the uk it would be chaos
in the uk anything that goes over 15mph under its own speed or via a combustion engine needs tax and insurance.
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TandemJeremy - Member
despite averaging 75mph on a roadsis that a boast or a confession
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either or both - surprised it took so long for someone to pull me up
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TandemJeremy - Member
surprised it took so long for someone to pull me upstandards are slipping
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Its hard for me to think of anyway acceleration helps unless you have already put yourself in a dodgy position
Accelerating and braking are exactly the same thing. The only difference is one has a + infront the other a -. Changing your speed or changing your direction are the same too. All of them allow you to put yourself on a different piece of road than you would have been otherwise. Which is pretty handy if you want to avoid things which are also moving.Posted 6 months ago # -
I love scooters. **** all chance I'd ride them outside London though. Unless it was a Honda monkey bike
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Accelerating and braking are exactly the same thing
Not at all. Braking REMOVES energy from the system, accelerating ADDS it. So you end up going faster. If I brake hard eventually I'll stop. If I accelerate hard I'll end up doing 100mph. Accelerating results in more speed and hence more risky situations could transpire.
Traffic is expecting (on the whole) people to suddenly stop or slow down - it's what happens, we are (or should be) prepared for it, it's legitimate. Traffic is less likely to be expecting a motorcyclist to suddenly open the taps and come hooning through some shrinking gap.
Just a thought.
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Molgrips - and it matters not one jot what traffic is thinking - the only thing that matters is the safety of the motorcyclist.
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I think it DOES matter what traffic is expecting. In driving in general, and cycling, it really helps to know what people are expecting, and how to fit in with those expectations. I avoid a lot of situations that could be tight or risky by predicting what other people will do.
I am always thinking about what other people will be thinking. In life, and on the roads
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Molgrips - and here is where your lack of knowledge of motorcycling lets you down. On a bike you always assume no one has seen you and you know that no one in a car has the slightest idea of the capabilities of a motorbike.
I don't care if I surprise you - all I care about is being safe. Because you and others have no idea of the capabilities of a motorcycle you will often be surprised by completely reasonable manoeuvres
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But TJ, surprising other drivers is inherently not safe, surely?
Safety and anticipation go hand in hand, surely too goodness? I'm not against surprising people out of courtesy, it's specifically a safety thing.
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Not at all. Braking REMOVES energy from the system, accelerating ADDS it
Hitting things is the problem. Scrubbing off 50mph and crashing at 20mph may be better than crashing at 70 but accelerating to 80 and not crashing at all is far better.You lose a lot of control while braking on a motorcycle. Oddly accelerating often gives you more control.
Braking is often the worst thing you can do on a motorbike, particularly in a corner.
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Ok 5e, all fair points but you just said braking and accelerating were the same, and now you just said they're not. Which was my point
You lose a lot of control while braking on a motorcycle. Oddly accelerating often gives you more control.
Now, stuff like this makes me even more convinced that motorcycling is inherently more dangerous than driving.
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Molgripos - you don't understand - sorry.
Its been pointed out to you over and over again. You have no idea of the capabilities of a motorcycle so I could be doing a perfectly reasonable and legal manoeuvre and still surprise you.
Its safer to get the manoeuvring out of the way quickly - if that suprises the car driver so be it.
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TJ I am not talking about motorbikes now. Surprising other people is bad. It may be the lesser of two evils in some particular situation, but it's still bad. No matter if you are driving or walking or anything else potentially risky.
End of, now lets move on.
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Molgrips - you really need to ride a bike to understand this.
suppose I had two ways of doing a manoeuvre - one does not surprise the car driver, the other will but has greater safety margins - I take the one with greater safety margins everytime.
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Now, stuff like this makes me even more convinced that motorcycling is inherently more dangerous than driving.
I think the lack of the steel cage, crumple zones and air bags would have been more of a clue!
You should have a look at those bicycle things though. Lycra and comedy lumps of polystyrene balanced on your head. Makes motorbikes look safe.
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I'll read the last 3 pages properly later, maybe.... But I've had a skim through.
FLOW:
Stability. Yes, a bigger wheeled bike may be more stable (And it may not) but stability isn't necessarily what's needed! Scooters generally turn faster and in traffic, that's what you DO want! Like I said, anti-scooter bias and no idea what you're on about!
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