who is prepared to kill (or at least let others die) for their socialist policies remains

Granted, the (thankfully, reversed) decision to deny treatment to “top-up” patients was inhumane. But doling out marginally efficacious – and hideously expensive – drugs is an issue rather more complicated than soundbite politics…

By comparison, remember this?

Julian – disease kills people. A nationally funded health policy which involves the allocation of limited resources to treat people who have diseases does not, and its proponents certainly don’t murder anyone. But I agree that the policy against topping up was not an attractive one. However, we are veering off topic rather.

I think there’s some people who have missed Julian’s gripe.

It is not about the realtive cost-benefit of a particular drug and it being funded by NHS money, but the penalising of those who wish to pay for additional medication by withdrawing their right to free base medication that would normally be available to any NHS patient.

A socialist attempt to prevent the creation of a two-tier healthservice within the NHS. Bringing the market to the NHS with such scale was their Pandora’s box. They should live with it.

However, we are veering off topic rather.

Indeed, BD. Now, what of the poisonous Blears? 😈

Julian – got you slightly at a tangent. I still believe very strongly that allowing them to buy their own drugs to top up NHS treatments is very wrong.

1) You have never in the past been allowed to do this as it leads to 2 tier care – the principle of the NHS is “all without favour”

2) it is a con – these are vulnerable people being conned into spending huge sums of money on ineffective “cures”

3) the NHS will have to pay for the treatment of the side effects.

Sorry Julian – you are wrong. Not one life has been saved by these drugs and never will be – they simply mean it takes you longer to die. If NICE says these drugs are inneffective thats good enough for me.

poisonous Blears

Toxic hamsters!

Can we go back to how vile a person Margaret Beckett is, please?

The way she treats her security detail as personal servants is utterly shameful. And she has a caravan, yet more reason to loath her.

Another MP has said they’re off as well, I gather, Tom Watson,

AS for the OP – its not a party political matter – indeed the Tories are worse – far worse.

We should loose half the MPs we have and there should be criminal prosecutions

TJ –

the principle of the NHS is “all without favour”

That argument is rather undermined by the geographical variation in both drug and treatment provision.

is that because he bought a Segway on expenses as the walk form the chauffeur rank to the chamber was ‘a bit tough’

AS for the OP – its not a party political matter

and the OP hasnt made it a party political matter.

Im talking about the Cabinet and the government unwinding like a slow motion car crash.

mrmichaelwright, having seen the man in person in some of the finer dining establishments of Westminster, I can confirm that he likes his pies.

Watching fat people eat is strangely fascinating.

Stoner – yes, two different issues. But bound up in many ways… unfortunately. 🙁

Stoner – Member

AS for the OP – its not a party political matter

and the OP hasnt made it a party political matter.

Im talking about the Cabinet and the government unwinding like a slow motion car crash.

Now, now, Stoner, you know full well that the demise of the current government is all the fault of the Conservatives. In fact, surely Thatcher is to blame? And, before I forget, everything in Scotland is perfect.

😉

Im talking about the Cabinet and the government unwinding like a slow motion car crash.

It’s a bit like watching that video of the rolling rally car the other day, but in slow motion, and the car is full of ostriches, and every time it rolls another ostrich comes flying out, and as each ostrich hits the ground it starts whooshing like a catherine wheel, and all the orange penguins who are watching the crash come running out with brooms and try and put the ostriches out by hitting them with their brooms, but the brooms just catch fire and the penguins panic and start rolling around on the ground surrounded by exploding ostriches as the car rolls on and on spewing out ever more ostriches.

mrmichaelwright, I am deeply touched. 🙂

CFH – now now!

I don’t think either Rudeboy of I could blame this on Thatcher – oh maybe – her grasping me first mentality affected them?

At least the Scottish parliament sorted out a similar expense scandal.

BD – still makes me spit my coffee out every time I read it

I was wondering why she might grasp you first….?

dominatrix fan are we TJ?

“Things are so bad that Susan Boyle has rung Downing Street to check that Gordon Brown is OK.”

blatantly pinched
🙂

Stoner – Member
“Things are so bad that Susan Boyle has rung Downing Street
to check that Gordon Brown is OK.”

Coffee/Keyboard Interface Error. 🙂

Thank you Stoner, you put my point more eloquently than I.

Sorry Julian – you are wrong. Not one life has been saved by these drugs and never will be – they simply mean it takes you longer to die. If NICE says these drugs are inneffective thats good enough for me.

I wasn’t suggesting that a life had been saved by these drugs, rather that it was wrong to allow people the option of taking something that may extend their life if they wished to pay for it.

I assume from your second sentence that you take the utterances of every official body as true then?

As for paying to study the side effects, you can’t argue it both ways. If there are going to be side effects surely the person will have to live longer for them to become apparent? If they are going to die, do the side effects matter that much?

This is on a different level, obviously, but paying for extra goes on elsewhere: I heard a story that only basic wheelchairs were handed out at a certain place, but if you were prepared to make up the extra cost ON TOP OF THE BASIC PRICE you could have an upgrade.

Besides, life is two- (or more) tier – those who have money can have more things than those who don’t. Simple.

And when Tony Blair came to power, he banged on relentlessly about ending sleaze in politics. 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

there are some real haters on here!

there are some real haters on here!

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

Well earned hate!

Ed Balls and the poison dwarf also have allowances questions over them, if our Glorious Leader appoints either of them (or retains them) his claims for cleaning out the Augean Stables at Westminster will not hold water.
It’s horrendous and un-missable stuff.

You “hater” Rudeboy! 😆

RudeBoy iz H8r

(I’m so street, sometimes)

Balls isn’t happening as Chancellor, didn’t he admit to regulation cock-ups whilst at the Treasury? Mandelson would spit feathers…

people want low taxes yet an infinately funded nhs

get real people

Yes, we get the fact you find it boring. Isn’t it time for your afternoon nap?

Ah, but RudeBoy, think of the glee with which you would attack the topic were it to be a Conservative cabinet in this much of a clusterf**k!