After a new bike and fancy either of these. So, anyone ridden both? Ti looks lovely but is it worth the extra over carbon? Also, the carbon one looks a little ugly, does the camera lie? 🙂

Would go for a kingdom legion but want to run a dropper post that is

A) not ugly (gd)
And B) not almost 700g! (hilo)

I’ve had a short ride on a Ti, but it was a bit small for me so it’s unfair to comment.

The uglyness is, IMO, limited to the bare frame. If built up right they look a bit stealth-bomber like IMO.

Just don’t use the standard decals! I had some made up….

IMG_0856 by PeterPoddy, on Flickr

IMG_0864 by PeterPoddy, on Flickr

That actually does look nice! Where did you get decals made?

Oh, and slam that stem! 😉

Where did you get decals made?

Got a mate works for a vehicle graphics company, so I got them for free. Anywhere like that will be able to do them though.
Mine are metallic gunmetal grey letters with a silver outline.

Ti is far more compliant (in all directions) carbon has vertical compliance (i.e. doesn’t beat you up) but is very stiff laterally so you feel far more effort is going down to the tyre rather than winding the frame up.

Carbon is a lighter frame but possibly not ‘for life’ which a well looked after Ti frame would certainly be (assuming changing compenent standards don’t make it obsolete).

So carbon is stingy harsh?

Ti Frame for life? A quick search of this forum or the rest of the internets might make that statement seem a bit optimistic.

So carbon is stingy harsh?

no, as I say – it has vertical compliance so it gives your bum a reasonable ride (certainly more so than the Steel 456) but it doesn’t bend sideways under pedal loads (which as I ride mine singlespeed is a good thing). Ti is probably slightly more forgiving on a longer ride, tbh, but I only rode one for an hour or so so I can’t give a definitive answer.

I certainly wouldn;t discount he carbon 456 over ride quality concerns.

Where are you – someone will probably let you sling a leg over one.

might make that statement seem a bit optimistic.

They do seem to get fixed when there are problems (at least Lynskey do and P-X have a good rep for warranty issues generally).

Ahhh, right. Based outside edinburgh

jontydewolfe, I’m still waiting for parts for my C456- they sent it out with old-style dropout bolts and don’t have any of the new-style ones in stock. But it should be built in a week or two and you’d be welcome to a shot once it’s done. Sadly I don’t also have a ti one to compare with 😉

Buy one then. Sheesh

which a well looked after Ti frame would certainly be

Tell you what, I’ve seen more complaints about broken Ti frames in the last year than everything else put together.

So carbon is stingy harsh?

Good God no! It’s a very ‘muted’ feeling to my mind. Just like a normal bike otherwise, but not harsh in any way!

Does it sound hollow like my road bike? I like that!

tbh, unless you have a very good chain stay protector and a fair bit of ‘copter tape on the downtube it can sound like a Tupperware box full of marbles going downhill at speed on a loose surface.

Cool

Carbon seatpost really adds a lot of comfort to the C456.

Not that it’s harsh anyway, but with the carbon post it’s the comfiest HT I’ve owned.

And you do get used to the looks.

Like an ugly spouse?

I think it looks great tbh, purposefully ugly, it’s a tool not an ornament and it doesn’t pretend otherwise.

Then again I would say that, my other bike looks like it wanted to be a crane but made some bad decisions.

Like an ugly spouse?

…who is a really good ride.

ordered my C456 last week…….can’t wait for the 24th for them to come in 🙂