Who cares. The wine from the Ventoux region is just smashing. Highly recommended!
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Oli Beckingsale vs Mark Cavendish up Mt Ventoux... who would win?
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Who cares. The wine from the Ventoux region is just smashing. Highly recommended!
word. Few things in life better than riding that mountain then settling in at a Cave to work your way through their produce. hic.Posted 2 years ago # -
what i find disappointing is how Malcolm Elliot can still perform in races in the UK, says something about the quality of British Pros.
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the origonal post says a road race over 20 stages. in that case i think beckinsale would have retired by now, if not then he wouldn't ride to his potential on the ventoux. in a tt up the ventoux with no racing beforehand then i would think beckinsale could beat cavendish, he would not be near the riders who excel at that.
if beckinsale had chosen i different path in his cycling at an early stage he may have made a tour rider. however, i doubt it based on the number of quality british riders who have failed to make it.Posted 2 years ago # -
ok i read it wrong. "over stage 20" now i'm struggling:-)
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Cav is a relatively crap climber, but that is relative to being the fastest sprinter on the planet. He will be in the top 3 or 4 for climbing ability in the UK. Oli Beckinsale and Liam Killeen would give him a good run for his money up Ventoux though.
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the origonal post says a road race over 20 stages.
Actually it doesn't!Posted 2 years ago # -
Who cares. The wine from the Ventoux region is just smashing. Highly recommended!
word. Few things in life better than riding that mountain then settling in at a Cave to work your way through their produce. hic.Indeed. That's why it's so hard having friends who have their own vineyard at the foot of ventoux.
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ooh you lucky bugger
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Besides Oli is (mostly) a mountain biker, Cav is a road/track star so a different comparison
Well didn't both of them do the Nationals this year? I'm pretty sure Oli did, Plus the tumble is quite like a mini Ventoux, no steeper, just quite a bit shorter, and barren and crappy at the top. Oh and there's nowhere to stop for coffee on the tumble.
A race from the bottom to top, not counting it as part of grand tour - i'd bet my house on Oli winning that one.
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...and a race from the top to the bottom - I reckon Cav would have time to get kissed on both cheeks for that.
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Most road pros are a lot lot lot better than most mountain bikers gives them credit for (at decending), especially the sprinters, plus cav used to ride BMX so i dare say his bike handling skills are excellent. So i think your probably right there.
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roadies have no bike handling skills
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It's not a spoiler now to talk about stage 19?
So after staying with the elite front group up a 14km Cat 2 climb, do you still reckon Beckingsale would beat him up Ventoux?
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Yes. The climb yesterday was < 5% all the way up, no bother if you just hang in there, like the other 99 riders in the front group yesterday.
Cav needs a tow everywhere, to get over climbs, and to get to the finish near the front.
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beckingsale would loose, if he's such a good cyclist why is he riding xc MTB when the real money is in road racing?
maybe he rides mtb because he enjoys it more than road racing? but i don't think he would cut it at international road level because if he's such a good athlete he would be riding the tour now.Posted 2 years ago # -
like the other 99 riders in the front group yesterday.
I think you were watching the wrong stage - there were only 40 or so in the front group at the finish (46th was over a minute back).Have you noticed how Contador also needs a tow up most of the climbs?
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Slight exaggeration. Contador takes a tow up the climbs to save energy for attacks on the steeper stuff.
Oli does mtb because he enjoys it I imagine. Lots of MTBers of similar level have gone on to ride on the road and do well; Cadel (you might hate him, but he's had a great career on the road), Ryder Hesjedal (ripping it up this year), Dario Cioni and loads others I can't remember.
Interesting to note that Jean-Christophe Péraud (Olympic Silver 2008 XC) destroyed Sylvain Chavanel in this years French National TT Champs, but then, XC is closer to TT than RR is.
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Slight exaggeration. Contador takes a tow up the climbs to save energy for attacks on the steeper stuff.
Cavendish takes a tow up the climbs to save energy for the sprints.
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aracer.
i allready corrected myself and admitted the mistake, but thanks anyway.
so today cav was 1/2 hour down (i think)in the 'autobus'. beckinsale might have beat that performance, who knows? personally i think not in any significant way.......he'd not be near the sharp end of the race.
stage 19 climb "no bother" ......really.Posted 2 years ago # -
what you mustn't forget about cav's ride today, he would do as little as possible to be as fresh as possible for tomorrow. He could have finished much closer, but why would he if it would dent his performance tomorrow.
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Roll on monday, all you once-a-year experts will be back to hibernating and the rest of us will be free from these pointless discussions.
Here's hoping the arrogant dwarf wins tomorrow.
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I think the best mtber to move to road riding was rasmussen. Was he not xc world champ a few years back?
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I'd like to be as useless at road riding as Cavendish.
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I'd like to be as useless at road riding as Cavendish.
I would like to help Cav spend his money. The team that signs his next contract had better have a cheque with space for lots of zeros
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Roll on monday, all you once-a-year experts will be back to hibernating and the rest of us will be free from these pointless discussions.
and you pointlessly giving the result away by not bothering to use 'spoiler' (on purpose) and the mods having to delete your posts.
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Not pointless if it got you all upset! We can do it all again next year!
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who's upset?
i watch the live feed so you posting doesn't affect me personally.
but if it makes you feel better about yourself posting the stage results then go ahead. i guess you only have one more stage left but don't fret too much summer soon comes round again.Posted 2 years ago # -
There's always the Vuelta, of course...
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Not pointless if it got you all upset! We can do it all again next year!
Why am i not surprised that p1ssing off a load of people you'll never meet is the highlight of your year?
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evans and hesjedal. they haven't really set the race on fire, even if they are faster than cavendish uphill.
i'll be back next year to irritate you with some more pointless comments, based on years of racing, with the dubious pleasure of lining up against some tour finishers on the odd occasion.Posted 2 years ago # -
Personally, I doubt that pissing off a load of uptight eejits on stw is the highlight of Dougal's year. Making the vast majority of them eat huge mounds of dust in a large number of races on the otherhand....
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i think beckingsdale would struggle as his event is about racing flat out for around 2.5 hours doing laps of a circuit with some climbing and downhill. stage 20 was 160km 2 or 3 cat 3 climbs with a HC climb to the finish with nearly 5 hours of riding.
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evans and hesjedal. they haven't really set the race on fire
But what about the last couple of years...?
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evans and hesjedal are obviously classy riders, like all the others in the tour. why even think that cavendish isn't? i don't know. perhaps paul sherwen was a poor allronder because he didn't shine on long climbs, or robert millar was a poor allrounder because he would not likely win a bunch sprint. perhaps those two examples would be laughed at. i think its the same to suggest cavendish might be a poor allrounder. but apparently i'm now a once a year expert, thats another thing i find funny:-)
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