Wellnasher says it all. I was wondering to put a link but I'll probably get kicked out of the forum.
BTW when should I see you? Still up for the 15th of march?
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ohhh looks what's in the shop...(Warning Full Face content)
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kenneththecurtain - Member
"all this is proven fact."
Unless you include references you're still just an angry man on the internet who could just be making stuff up
I have done before on the forum. However its really rather dull now as its been done ad nauseum
Want to know the stuff in detail then my email is in my profile
Kitz_Chris - I'll e mail you later on - tea is ready now
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tea is ready now
You pikey... It's dinner DINNER not tea, don't you know tea is a drink
What do they teach to school these days Posted 2 years ago # -
TandemJeremy - Member
ridiculous bullshit
Seriously are you mentally ill?
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loco - no - I follow the science.
tandemJeremy
Of course - as it goes against the orthodoxy I will be shouted down as a heretic.Posted 2 years ago # -
juan
the day is organised by Sebastien Carbone..
you know him?
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kimbers - Member
must admit if i had the cash id get a poc helmet the vpd knee shin armour is superbYup, same here. Looking at the best part of £350 for one of those. Yowser, thats a lot of dosh to preserve my film-star looks
Amazing the odd and sadly predictable comments from some on the wearing of DH helmets.
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Nope I'll ask the shop tomorrow (maybe I have seen him but can't link the face and the name).
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We have ordered a shed load of POC this year based on us selling heaps last year.
The distro halved my original order cause he knew POC would not be able to fulfil. This worries slightly as it means there will never be enough kit.
The helmets are/were scary money until the D3 arrived but look less so now - the Cortex DH was our best selling full face last year and we reckon it will be again in it's new tech guise.
exciting.
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i'd be interested to see how the POC matches up with the TLD D3
I went for the english pub stylee world champs winning steve peat D3 and it is really a very nice piece of kit (imported from US for £150 less than UK retail)
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Or Jerome Brabant from Tribe Sport.
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Darren, the new Cortex DH has MIPS. The D3 does not.
Pretty major difference we feel. Safety and rider protection is really put to the fore on the POC.
We sell both btw so not biased.
How are the pads getting on for you?
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Oh dear... I just wanted to share that with people on here
You've been here long enough to know better surely
Anyway, at least you've got the trails to need a FF :jealous:
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I have done before on the forum. However its really rather dull now as its been done ad nauseum
A quick search didn't turn up anything of use. I would email, but I'm sure there are others on the forum who are interested to know your sources.
It strikes me as odd that if there is conclusive proof that full face helmets cause more damage than they prevent that everyone, from pros down to regular dudes like me, still wears them.
Perhaps the SDA should be changing their armour rules if open face helmets are safer?
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That is not what I said at all. Try re reading my post.
Its not conclusive proof - that is very hard to come by with helmets. I didn't claim it was. They are not as good as they might be and have drawbacks - you are balancing their advantages against the drawbacks.
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all this is proven fact.
Its not conclusive proof
So which is it going to be?
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Sorry TJ but your science is horseshit.
1: Bigger brakes are more effective than smaller brakes.
2: FF helmets protect you more than normal helmets or no helmet.Posted 2 years ago # -
Tell you what TJ, turn up at Inners this weekend and have a chat with the Commisaires, race organisers and most importantly riders, about riding the course without a helmet at all, or possibly, if you really think its a concession worth making, an XC helmet, as why does anyone need all that plastic?
No? Ah, I see, you'd rather waffle on and on and on about how it causes 'rotational injuries' on here. Oh well
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FWIW, I've learned some new stuff on here tonight about POC helmets and leg armour - bugger, feel a spend coming on...
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beeep beep beep *TJ reversing slightly in the post above?*
interestingly I saw my mate slam face first into a pointy rock on ben lomond with a full facer on - very funny indeed - however he didnt damage his face as the chin guard stopped the face rock interface, which is a shame as it may have bashed him pretty. strangely he didnt break his neck, back or indeed give him whiplash(his missus job).
on the other side though - they do sell a lot of the leat neck braces...
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Juan, are the new Urge helmets available in the UK yet??
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To be honest TJ: What you are saying is a bit like telling people to stop wearing safety belts because that drummer from Def Leppard once had an arm chopped off. What you appear to be talking about, and excuse me if I have gotten the wrong end of the stick, is a rare set of circumstances that you would have to be very unlucky to be subjected to.
I have seen some serious crashes involving people wearing full-facers, including a friend of mine in Whistler who ended up being carried off the mountain in an ambulance with a suspected broken back. All he could say afterward was "thank god I was wearing a full-face helmet".
This guy was fast and his crash occured at a very high speed and the practical evidence is there to see: Some of the crashes the pro's get into are horrific but they all continue to wear full-face helmets and the consequences if they didn't do not make for nice images.
One element where you may be correct is the increased weight, and this appears to have led to the introduction of these neck braces you can now buy that limit the amount of extreme movement to prevent neck damage.
In the end I think that what you are saying is actually irresponsible, by sowing the seeds of doubt into the safety of wearing helmets which may result in some people choosing not to wear them.
In the real world I think it is safe to say that you are safer wearing a full-face helmet than without.
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loco_pollo - Member
Sorry TJ but your science is horseshit.
1: Bigger brakes are more effective than smaller brakes.
2: FF helmets protect you more than normal helmets or no helmet.Try reading what I have written - that is not what I said in either case.
kenneththecurtain
Sloppy language from me.
The effects have been demonstrated / proven experimentally. The science is limited and how it translates into the real world is not proven. More research is needed
Gavin - again - not what I have said. rotational effects are well proven hence the POC designs. http://www.mipshelmet.se/how-it-works
As I predicted
tandemJeremy
Of course - as it goes against the orthodoxy I will be shouted down as a heretic.Guys - read up the science on helmets - you will be surprised. Its often poor quality from either side, the testing standards are very low and very flawed, adverse effects are commonly seen.
I like evidence based practice - and here the evidence is poor, counterintuative, contradictory. All you can do is read the science and make your own mind up. Have any of you read the science?
These web pages give you references to follow to the science - from all sides of the debate. Don't worry about the editorials on the sites - follow the references to the real science and make your own minds up
http://www.whycycle.co.uk/safety_and_security/cycling_helmets/
http://www.cyclehelmets.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmetPosted 2 years ago # -
Desperate stuff TJ
Bit like the AA canvassing against wearing seat belts.
But at the end of the day....do you not think that new POC helmet looks buff? C'mon, admit it, you'd love to be seen in one? On your tandem?
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follow the references to the real science and make your own minds up
This is the main problem I have with the issue. I am quite happy to read through the (in this case limited) evidence and come to my own conclusions. These would be just that: my own conclusions.
I would not then take those conclusions and impose them on others as 'proven fact'
I like evidence based practice
I completely agree - but only if the evidence is conclusive.
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Best thread for 'lurkers' for a long time ! FWIW , i feel much safer in a full helmet.
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Jesus H... TJ, why'd you do it to yourself everytime?
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Well so far every helmet sold in the EU protect the same. There is no proof that some protect better than others (time for a new standard maybe).
POPO no official importers in the UK. If you give me your email I'll drop you a line about them (can't do it here as it's braking the rules but you can be tricky and find for yourself).Can people stop with the helmet will kill you or not stuff. I wasted a whole afternoon arguing with TJ about that, shown him proper peer reviewed article to which he replied with peer reviewed article. I said mine where poo (still want to know on what basis ;)) and I said his were shite and old.
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3 years ago i fractured my skull and punched a hole in my cheekbone at innerliethen wearing a giro fullface...it just wasnt tough enough for the impact...but if wearing an open face id proberly have been dead...it just scares me seeing folk with any type of open face doing narly stuff...i wouldnt wear a DH helmet again though if returning to DH...it would be a MX lid...sod the wieght,you see alot of riders wearing them, also notice the majority of pro BMXers wearing them too...
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it just scares me seeing folk with any type of open face doing narly stuff
one man gnarly stuff (whatever the fick is that) is another man gravel path.Posted 2 years ago # -
one man gnarly stuff (whatever the fick is that) is another man gravel path.
innerliethen red bull track in jump lids...
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Yep, it makes sense to me, as i said in an earlier thread, if your spanking it, wear ff. It will help for the most part if you stack it face side down...i would and it's not something i've done much of at all tbh, but when kitted to the max you go faster, that does'nt require any further logic really...so far, i could count one crash for sure that would have been far less painfull if i'd had body armour on for a start.
But then i will go mental around swinley and who knows, shorts, t shirt and hex might not be enough one day......you take the risk, you pay the price if said risk turns out to be sour....blah blah blah...I think, ultimately, that in the alps, knowing what i'm like, next time, for the more serious days...ff without question.
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Hilldodger btw I don't need a helmet for my trails I have been happy witht out so far. It's just that you are more likely to get her going up to be honest than going down.
I am just lurking for one at the moment because I'd like to do an enduro, and they are compulsory.Posted 2 years ago # -
I got mine from purebike.fr, 2 days delivery €10. It's nicley made, light and comfy, mint!
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That green POC one matches our "corporate" colours. It's calling to me. Even though I don't need a new FF.
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