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70 posts & 25 voices | Started 6 months ago by philconsequence | Latest reply from Elfinsafety

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philconsequence - Member

http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-ows-demands/

Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.

Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.

Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.

Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.

Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.

Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.

Create a single-payer, universal health care system.

Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.

Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.

Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.

Allow workers to elect their supervisors.

Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.

Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.

Ban the private ownership of land.

Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.

Reduce the age of majority to 16.

Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.

Release all political prisoners immediately.

Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Abolish the debt limit.

Ban private gun ownership.

Strengthen the separation of church and state.

Immediate debt forgiveness for all.

End the 'War on Drugs'.

(This content is user submitted and not an official statement - but dont let ruin the fun... its been published on their website!)

Posted 6 months ago #
peterfile - Member

ahahahhhahahaha!!!

amazing. people are truly AMAZING

Posted 6 months ago #
allthepies - Member

A stoner's* manifesto

* not our Malvern dweller.

Posted 6 months ago #
uplink - Member

They had a proper meeting and everything

Posted 6 months ago #
binners - Member

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww bless.

What on earth would happen if any of them ever found themselves in the real world?

Posted 6 months ago #
binners - Member

Why do you want to be called Loretta, Stan?

Posted 6 months ago #
duckman - Member

Caught up with the Chartists 150 years late.

Posted 6 months ago #
kimbers - Member

i think they stand a good chance of getting all they want passed apart from

Ban private gun ownership.

its america after all

tbh most of their demands are quite reasonable

Posted 6 months ago #
mcboo - Member

tbh most of their demands are quite reasonable

Go on then, fill your boots.

Posted 6 months ago #
CaptainFlashheart - Member

Spend loads of cash!

Fine, but how do you fund it all?

Erm. Well, erm. Yes, you know, it's like, erm. Oooh look, Starbucks is open again, KTHXBY!

Posted 6 months ago #
mcboo - Member

Hopi Sen is always worth a read, Labour blogger.

Re:the Occupy Movement

So, while I am very critical of the left, and of the agit-prop tantrum-politics that constitutes what might call the "id" of the Occupy movement, if not its core ideology, there is a grain of truth in the idea that "mainstream" politics is not providing a particularly coherent response to the crisis, and so laughable incoherence becomes an equally attractive option. If the best the right can offer is an attack on red tape, and the best we offer is a short term VAT cut, maybe facepainting your way to a solution seems just as sensible a response as any other.

Instead, mainstream left politicians argue for a cautious, small increase in demand against the backdrop of potential catastrophe, while the idealists busy themselves with constructing a fantasy world where libertarians can lie down with communists, because they all feel upset with the way things are going. The most interesting thing about the Occupy movement, as far as I can tell, is that it is not, in any meaningful way, left wing. It is protest as therapy, not solution, and glories in a refusal to offer an alternative.

http://hopisen.com/2011/the-twin-crises/

Told you he was good.

Posted 6 months ago #
binners - Member

and glories in a refusal to offer an alternative.

Genius!

Quite literally the politics of.... "ERM?"

Posted 6 months ago #
Stoner - Member

A stoner's* manifesto

I reckon mine might look a tad different

Posted 6 months ago #
kimbers - Member

mcboo - Member
Go on then, fill your boots.

ok.....

Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.

taft-hartley act makes it legal to spy on any union police state or what!?

Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.

bit fanciful this one but minimum wage is a good idea, just like we have in the uk

Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.

in the uk we all have statutory right to 5.6 weeks annual leave already

Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately
.
this one would be hard to pull off

Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.

seems obvious to me

Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.
the amnesty part makes sense, the immigrants are already there taxing and regulating them is the logical thing to do

Create a single-payer, universal health care system.

like the nhs then, costs a fraction of what the yanks pay as % of gdp and we have longer lifespans

Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
absolutely obvious this one, lobbyists are anti-democracy

Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
something has to be done as billionaire warren buffet says he only paid tax on 19% of his earnings in 2006

Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
again obvious and would bring them into line with europe and the uk

Allow workers to elect their supervisors.

this one is getting a bit out there ill give you that

Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
this one too is a bit binkers

Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.

see warren buffet comments

Ban the private ownership of land.

in principle i like it, no more access issues for mtbing!

Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
considering the amount of religous nutters in america im down with this

Reduce the age of majority to 16.
like the uk

Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
like the uk

Release all political prisoners immediately.

i thought only south american dictators held political prisoners?

Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.

who can argue against that!

Abolish the debt limit.
??

Ban private gun ownership.
like any civilised country on the planet and the uk

Strengthen the separation of church and state.
like any civilised country on the planet

Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
tyler durden would agree

End the 'War on Drugs'.
couldnt agree more its utterly failed and drug wars are killing 10000 a year in mexico alone

Posted 6 months ago #
thebunk - Member

[edit]wot kimbers said[/edit]

Fine, but how do you fund it all?

Flashy, you can pay...

Posted 6 months ago #
uplink - Member

bit fanciful this one but minimum wage is a good idea, just like we have in the uk

As they do in the US [apart from 4 or 5 states]

Posted 6 months ago #
Lifer - Member

I can see the thinking in most of that (some of it is silly). But as you say it's a user submission, which is kind of the point isn't it? Everyone should have a voice?

Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws. Not sure what this refers to would need to look into it but doesn't sound ridiculous

Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.Give us your poor, your hungry?

Create a single-payer, universal health care system.Makes sense

Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.Makes a lot of sense and would like to see similar over here!

Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.Can't see much wrong with that but would need details!

Abolish the death penalty ~~and life in prison~~. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.Agree with that with the annotation

Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.Would like to see more movement toward withdrawal - immediate obviously isn't practical/safe

Ban private gun ownership.Tighter gun laws rather than ban

Strengthen the separation of church and state.Yep

End the 'War on Drugs'.Every study shows the WoD is costly and ineffective. All it does is fill prisons with users

Posted 6 months ago #
wrecker - Member

$18/hour?
There's some skilled people out there earning that sort of money.
I'm all for taxing the very rich but 90% is stupid.
If we're trying to discourage religious fanaticism, can we ban faith schools whist we're at it?
If land ownership is prohibited how will new areas be developed (new housing etc)?
Opening borders would be suicide but other than that (and kimbers omissions); crack on!

Posted 6 months ago #
clubber - Member

Essentially not an unreasonable list of 'wants'.

Of course there's not a hope in hell of them ever being acted upon. I suppose it comes down to approach.

Do you aim unrealistically high because that's what you believe in even if by doing so you make the likelihood of achieving anything even close to what you want less likely because people will marginalise you for being a nutter.

Or, do you set realistic, smaller goals and once you achieve them, set new ones?

I suspect that the real answer is that you need the former beardy wierdies with their unrealistic goals to keep up the impetus of the latter people who probably actually achieve change but in a series of much smaller steps. Though of course the problem with that is that the latter people can be sidelined by the rich/powerful because they're less obsessive/driven about the cause. Maybe.

Posted 6 months ago #
thebunk - Member

I suspect that the real answer is that you need the former beardy wierdies with their unrealistic goals to keep up the impetus of the latter people who probably actually achieve change but in a series of much smaller steps.

This. Especially in America, where the Right have the Tea Party crazies, the Left need their nutters to start shouting louder to stir up some debate.

But, carry on with the mocking, apolitical capitalists...

Posted 6 months ago #
binners - Member

Clubber. Haven't you just described the Lib Dems? Pre and post getting-into-bed-with-Dave?

Posted 6 months ago #
clubber - Member

Quite possibly I think they maybe got a bit too enamoured with being in power though and the Tories have rather cleverly painted them into the corner, occassionally throwing them some food to keep them going while they keep painting the floor.

Politicians looking after their own self interest - who'd have thought...

Posted 6 months ago #
mcboo - Member

Fair enough boys, I guess there is something in there for everyone to embrace, I'm all for ending the war on drugs, and church and state is in the constitution thanks to T.Jefferson and others.

Thanks for replying at length kimbers but tbh you are a long way from
tbh most of their demands are quite reasonable

I stand by

maybe facepainting your way to a solution seems just as sensible a response as any other.

Posted 6 months ago #
Elfinsafety - Member

I like the way that right-whingers like Flashy and McBoo scoff, but then Kimbers and Lifer come along and produce intelligent, well-tought out responses, but they can't then respond.

Thanks for replying at length kimbers but tbh you are a long way from

tbh most of their demands are quite reasonable

Ok then; your turn: Please to explain why. KTHX.

Posted 6 months ago #
philconsequence - Member

elfin, you've walked into the thread and picked a fight without even offering your own opinion on the list. that's bad form in my humble opinion.

Posted 6 months ago #
kimbers - Member

i dont think im a long way off

more than 50% (ie most)of their demands arent just reasonable they are bleedin obvious

here we go

reasonable

Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.
6 weeks of paid vacation.
Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.
Create a single-payer, universal health care system.
Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.
Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of
the US.
Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
Reduce the age of majority to 16.
Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
Release all political prisoners immediately.
Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Abolish the debt limit.
Ban private gun ownership.
Strengthen the separation of church and state.
End the 'War on Drugs'.

not reasonable

Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
Ban the private ownership of land.
Allow workers to elect their supervisors.
Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.
Institute a 6 hour workday,Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal.
Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.

ok we could argue how ive categorized a couple but the balance is clearly in the favour of the occupy movement being in the right and the status quo in the democratic land of the free is anything but

Posted 6 months ago #
wrecker - Member

Actually CFH raises one of the most valid points IMHO.

My only issues with kimbers reasonable list are

Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal.

Unrealistic.

Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.

This would result in carnage on an epic scale.

Posted 6 months ago #
Elfinsafety - Member

I think most of the demands are reasonable and achievable. If people put greed and selfishness to one side. Which right-whingers can't.

That do yer?

Actually CFH raises one of the most valid points IMHO.

He does not in any way, actually. He's just thrown in the stock right-whingers response, without actualy thinking about it.

Posted 6 months ago #
mcboo - Member

We're having a nice chat with a hint of whimsy and then I'm a scoffing, whinging right-winger.

Go away you little turd.

Posted 6 months ago #
binners - Member

Posted 6 months ago #
Elfinsafety - Member

Instead of resorting to childishness, why not instead focus that energy in challenging Kimbers' and Lifer's views?

You might get more out of it. Insulting me, well, just makes me laugh tbh.

Posted 6 months ago #
wrecker - Member

He does raise a very valid point, stock or not.

Posted 6 months ago #
kimbers - Member

well assuming you go with my idea of reasonable and not then youd be saving a tone of cash

end costly war on drugs, tax them out the arse!
public healthcare costs us roughly half what it costs the us taxpayer
death row is very expensive
withdraw from iraq and afgahnistan would save millions

and so on

right ive got a really long and dull risk assesment to write so im not gonna post any more

edit yeah i got the borders one and the amnesty one the wrong way round

Posted 6 months ago #
thebunk - Member

There isn't much on the sensible list that will cost a lot. Some of it will save money. Flashy pays for the rest.

[edit]wot kimbers said. Again.[/edit]

Posted 6 months ago #
philconsequence - Member

everyone's entitled to their own opinions, just seemed bad form to start pick a fight in your first post on a thread tis all.

Posted 6 months ago #