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Occupy Wall Streets list of demands – Major ROFLMAO reporting for duty.
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philconsequenceFree Member
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-ows-demands/
Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.
Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.
Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.
Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.
Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.
Create a single-payer, universal health care system.
Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
Allow workers to elect their supervisors.
Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.
Ban the private ownership of land.
Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
Reduce the age of majority to 16.
Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
Release all political prisoners immediately.
Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Abolish the debt limit.
Ban private gun ownership.
Strengthen the separation of church and state.
Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
End the ‘War on Drugs’.
(This content is user submitted and not an official statement – but dont let ruin the fun… its been published on their website!)
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What on earth would happen if any of them ever found themselves in the real world?
kimbersFull Memberi think they stand a good chance of getting all they want passed apart from
Ban private gun ownership.
its america after all
tbh most of their demands are quite reasonable
mcbooFree Membertbh most of their demands are quite reasonable
Go on then, fill your boots.
CaptainFlashheartFree MemberSpend loads of cash!
Fine, but how do you fund it all?
Erm. Well, erm. Yes, you know, it’s like, erm. Oooh look, Starbucks is open again, KTHXBY!
😉
mcbooFree MemberHopi Sen is always worth a read, Labour blogger.
Re:the Occupy Movement
So, while I am very critical of the left, and of the agit-prop tantrum-politics that constitutes what might call the “id” of the Occupy movement, if not its core ideology, there is a grain of truth in the idea that “mainstream” politics is not providing a particularly coherent response to the crisis, and so laughable incoherence becomes an equally attractive option. If the best the right can offer is an attack on red tape, and the best we offer is a short term VAT cut, maybe facepainting your way to a solution seems just as sensible a response as any other.
Instead, mainstream left politicians argue for a cautious, small increase in demand against the backdrop of potential catastrophe, while the idealists busy themselves with constructing a fantasy world where libertarians can lie down with communists, because they all feel upset with the way things are going. The most interesting thing about the Occupy movement, as far as I can tell, is that it is not, in any meaningful way, left wing. It is protest as therapy, not solution, and glories in a refusal to offer an alternative.
http://hopisen.com/2011/the-twin-crises/
Told you he was good.
binnersFull Memberand glories in a refusal to offer an alternative.
Genius!
Quite literally the politics of…. “ERM?”
StonerFree MemberA stoner’s* manifesto
I reckon mine might look a tad different 😉
kimbersFull Membermcboo – Member
Go on then, fill your boots.ok…..
Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.
taft-hartley act makes it legal to spy on any union police state or what!?
Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
bit fanciful this one but minimum wage is a good idea, just like we have in the uk
Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.
in the uk we all have statutory right to 5.6 weeks annual leave already
Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately
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this one would be hard to pull offRepeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.
seems obvious to me
Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.
the amnesty part makes sense, the immigrants are already there taxing and regulating them is the logical thing to do
Create a single-payer, universal health care system.
like the nhs then, costs a fraction of what the yanks pay as % of gdp and we have longer lifespans
Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
absolutely obvious this one, lobbyists are anti-democracy
Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
something has to be done as billionaire warren buffet says he only paid tax on 19% of his earnings in 2006
Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
again obvious and would bring them into line with europe and the uk
Allow workers to elect their supervisors.
this one is getting a bit out there ill give you that
Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
this one too is a bit binkers
Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.
see warren buffet comments
Ban the private ownership of land.
in principle i like it, no more access issues for mtbing!
Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
considering the amount of religous nutters in america im down with this
Reduce the age of majority to 16.
like the uk
Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
like the uk
Release all political prisoners immediately.
i thought only south american dictators held political prisoners?
Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
who can argue against that!
Abolish the debt limit.
??
Ban private gun ownership.
like any civilised country on the planet and the uk
Strengthen the separation of church and state.
like any civilised country on the planet
Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
tyler durden would agree
End the ‘War on Drugs’.
couldnt agree more its utterly failed and drug wars are killing 10000 a year in mexico alone
thebunkFull Member[edit]wot kimbers said[/edit]
Fine, but how do you fund it all?
Flashy, you can pay…
uplinkFree Memberbit fanciful this one but minimum wage is a good idea, just like we have in the uk
As they do in the US [apart from 4 or 5 states]
LiferFree MemberI can see the thinking in most of that (some of it is silly). But as you say it’s a user submission, which is kind of the point isn’t it? Everyone should have a voice?
Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws. Not sure what this refers to would need to look into it but doesn’t sound ridiculous
Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.Give us your poor, your hungry?
Create a single-payer, universal health care system.Makes sense
Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.Makes a lot of sense and would like to see similar over here!
Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.Can’t see much wrong with that but would need details!
Abolish the death penalty
and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.Agree with that with the annotationImmediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.Would like to see more movement toward withdrawal – immediate obviously isn’t practical/safe
Ban private gun ownership.Tighter gun laws rather than ban
Strengthen the separation of church and state.Yep
End the ‘War on Drugs’.Every study shows the WoD is costly and ineffective. All it does is fill prisons with users
wreckerFree Member$18/hour?
There’s some skilled people out there earning that sort of money.
I’m all for taxing the very rich but 90% is stupid.
If we’re trying to discourage religious fanaticism, can we ban faith schools whist we’re at it?
If land ownership is prohibited how will new areas be developed (new housing etc)?
Opening borders would be suicide but other than that (and kimbers omissions); crack on!clubberFree MemberEssentially not an unreasonable list of ‘wants’.
Of course there’s not a hope in hell of them ever being acted upon. I suppose it comes down to approach.
Do you aim unrealistically high because that’s what you believe in even if by doing so you make the likelihood of achieving anything even close to what you want less likely because people will marginalise you for being a nutter.
Or, do you set realistic, smaller goals and once you achieve them, set new ones?
I suspect that the real answer is that you need the former beardy wierdies with their unrealistic goals to keep up the impetus of the latter people who probably actually achieve change but in a series of much smaller steps. Though of course the problem with that is that the latter people can be sidelined by the rich/powerful because they’re less obsessive/driven about the cause. Maybe.
thebunkFull MemberI suspect that the real answer is that you need the former beardy wierdies with their unrealistic goals to keep up the impetus of the latter people who probably actually achieve change but in a series of much smaller steps.
This. Especially in America, where the Right have the Tea Party crazies, the Left need their nutters to start shouting louder to stir up some debate.
But, carry on with the mocking, apolitical capitalists…
binnersFull MemberClubber. Haven’t you just described the Lib Dems? Pre and post getting-into-bed-with-Dave?
clubberFree MemberQuite possibly 🙂 I think they maybe got a bit too enamoured with being in power though and the Tories have rather cleverly painted them into the corner, occassionally throwing them some food to keep them going while they keep painting the floor.
Politicians looking after their own self interest – who’d have thought…
mcbooFree MemberFair enough boys, I guess there is something in there for everyone to embrace, I’m all for ending the war on drugs, and church and state is in the constitution thanks to T.Jefferson and others.
Thanks for replying at length kimbers but tbh you are a long way from
tbh most of their demands are quite reasonable
I stand by
maybe facepainting your way to a solution seems just as sensible a response as any other.
ElfinsafetyFree MemberI like the way that right-whingers like Flashy and McBoo scoff, but then Kimbers and Lifer come along and produce intelligent, well-tought out responses, but they can’t then respond. 😆
Thanks for replying at length kimbers but tbh you are a long way from
tbh most of their demands are quite reasonable
Ok then; your turn: Please to explain why. KTHX.
philconsequenceFree Memberelfin, you’ve walked into the thread and picked a fight without even offering your own opinion on the list. that’s bad form in my humble opinion.
kimbersFull Memberi dont think im a long way off
more than 50% (ie most)of their demands arent just reasonable they are bleedin obvious
here we go
reasonable
Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.
6 weeks of paid vacation.
Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.
Create a single-payer, universal health care system.
Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.
Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of
the US.
Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
Reduce the age of majority to 16.
Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
Release all political prisoners immediately.
Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Abolish the debt limit.
Ban private gun ownership.
Strengthen the separation of church and state.
End the ‘War on Drugs’.not reasonable
Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
Ban the private ownership of land.
Allow workers to elect their supervisors.
Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.
Institute a 6 hour workday,Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal.
Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.ok we could argue how ive categorized a couple but the balance is clearly in the favour of the occupy movement being in the right and the status quo in the democratic land of the free is anything but
wreckerFree MemberActually CFH raises one of the most valid points IMHO.
My only issues with kimbers reasonable list are
Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal.
Unrealistic.
Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
This would result in carnage on an epic scale.
ElfinsafetyFree MemberI think most of the demands are reasonable and achievable. If people put greed and selfishness to one side. Which right-whingers can’t.
That do yer? 🙂
Actually CFH raises one of the most valid points IMHO.
He does not in any way, actually. He’s just thrown in the stock right-whingers response, without actualy thinking about it.
mcbooFree MemberWe’re having a nice chat with a hint of whimsy and then I’m a scoffing, whinging right-winger.
Go away you little turd.
ElfinsafetyFree MemberInstead of resorting to childishness, why not instead focus that energy in challenging Kimbers’ and Lifer’s views?
You might get more out of it. Insulting me, well, just makes me laugh tbh.
kimbersFull Memberwell assuming you go with my idea of reasonable and not then youd be saving a tone of cash
end costly war on drugs, tax them out the arse!
public healthcare costs us roughly half what it costs the us taxpayer
death row is very expensive
withdraw from iraq and afgahnistan would save millionsand so on
right ive got a really long and dull risk assesment to write so im not gonna post any more
edit yeah i got the borders one and the amnesty one the wrong way round
thebunkFull MemberThere isn’t much on the sensible list that will cost a lot. Some of it will save money. Flashy pays for the rest.
[edit]wot kimbers said. Again.[/edit]
philconsequenceFree Membereveryone’s entitled to their own opinions, just seemed bad form to start pick a fight in your first post on a thread tis all.
miketuallyFree Membernot reasonable
Some of the “not reasonable” aren’t that bad, really:
Institute a 6 hour workday
When you’ve not got full employment, does it not make sense for those in work to ‘bunk over’ and let some others in?
Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
The numbers might not be right, but the well paid have certainly seen their income increase faster than the poorly paid. Some redress of that isn’t too unreasonable.
Increase Social Security benefits.
I’d need to know more about the US Social Security benefits to comment on this.
Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.
Make em legal, protect their welfare and tax their income.
Institute a negative income tax
This is working families tax credits, isn’t it?
tax the very rich at rates up to 90%
Again, the figure might be a little high, but the sentiment’s not too wacky.
Zulu-ElevenFree MemberBan private gun ownership.
like any civilised country on the planet and the uk
Yeah, look at those second world nations like Switzerland, Finland and Canada?
binnersFull MemberThe Peoples’ Front of Judea?
**** OFF!!!
We’re the Judeans Peoples Front!!
The Peoples’ Front of Judea?…..
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