To a large extent you could say the same about a variety of mental illnesses also being about personal choice, so hopefully all the mentalists are up for riducle too 
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Now then, this is a good one. Fat-ism should be a hate crime.....
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BD - would you take the piss out of a disabled person who had become paralysed due to some poor choices on their part?
What about someone who had been mountain biking (without a helmet maybe) and suffered brain damage?
Fair game for ridicule eh?
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undoubtedly!
Really ? You mean that ? ............... you will never again throw ridicule and insults at overweight people SFB ?
Oh isn't it nice when patiently arguing your point brings results
........... now don't forget Simon will you
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Hmmm. They [IanMunro's "mentalists"] certainly get some ridicule. Are people who get schizophrenia from too much skunk more ridiculous than people who get depression from being abused as children? There's definitely a serious point here, which does cut into my treatment of "choice" I agree.
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to me a person who eats, drinks, takes drugs to the point that it controls their lives to the extent that it is gonna kill them needs some help.
they are suffering from a illness.Posted 2 years ago # -
Oh my god....nothing annoys me more than all this shit about fat people and how they should just 'love their bodies as they are' (gok wan) and 'its our lack of education that we are fat' etc etc
Fat, obesity or whatever is unhealthy.....why do we promote that being fat is acceptable??!?! this will only contribue to the feeling that obesity is the norm and fine and healthy....sigh.
JUST LOOSE SOME **** WEIGHT
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Yeah, and start smiling you ****ing depressives
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Can't believe no-one's posted this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kcYv2L3cx8
IanPosted 2 years ago # -
you will never again throw ridicule and insults at overweight people SFB ?
my plan is to avoid all forms of discrimination!
Oh isn't it nice when patiently arguing your point brings results
is that what you were doing ?
Fat, obesity or whatever is unhealthy.....why do we promote that being fat is acceptable?
well, it seems to turn out that mild overweight actually gives the best life expectancy - though as I've pointed out, that may no longer be a good thing
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Grumm - I think we're passed arguing about whether people are "fair game for ridicule", we were discussing whether or not discrimination against fat people was/should be treated the same as racism etc.
In your examples the people end up disabled. We already (I think rightly) object to discrimination against the disabled, and that certainly catches some people who could have worn helmets at various points. It also (I believe) catches some people who are very severely obese.
Leaving aside the issue of whether people like to be laughed at (they invariably don't), I'm not sure we're any closer to an argument that obesity is morally the same as race/sexuality/disability for these purposes.
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Are you trying to squeeze out of the closet Simon?
IanPosted 2 years ago # -
Interesting debate with some of the usual amusing banter along the way. It does seem funny that we are raising the issue of rotundness and people being mocked at a time when a far greater percentage of the population are overweight. When I was a kid the larger people were quite a rarity and were mercilessly mocked at times. Not right although sometimes amusing at the time.
I don't think any of us really would condone attacking or blatantly ridculing people who are different to us but that doesn't stop us finding some things amusing, or sad, or somehow pathetic. How many of us laugh when we see someone come flying off their bike? Natural first response seems to be a laugh, chortle or full on belly wobbler before that concern about their wellbeing kicks in. Seems to be (predominantly male) human behaviour.
Leaving that aside for the moment though a number of the issues or complains that people suffer from are largely down to their personal choices. We have developed a society where soemone else or something else is to blame. If you have panic attacks or paranoia because you ingested too many narcotics whose fault is it? And at what point do you think it is fair for the public to bail you out and support your medical care? For those who are, shall we say, on the generous side of the ideal weight line it really is down to eating more than you are burning through general living and exercise. And being overweight is not good for you health wise. This is not complex or intellectual stuff we are grappling with here. And for many people it is down to their free choice. Nobody is making them eat all those pies and chips. Take some personal responsibility and stop looking for excuses or people to blame! And for the record, yes, I am slightly stout so I am not being an indignant stick insect. I know that I each a bit too much, and sometimes the wrong foods, but I know who puts it in my mouth and there is no one else to blame but me.
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whether people like to be laughed at
on the contrary I very much enjoy being laughed at for the wrong reasons :o)
Are you trying to squeeze out of the closet Simon?
which closet ?
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Chuckling at indignant stick insect.
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I think you are secretly fat,but denying it to yourself.
IanPosted 2 years ago # -
I think you are secretly fat,but denying it to yourself.
that's none of your business!
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If you mean Simon, his fatness is such a secret that it doesn't show up in photographs.
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Ah the magic airbrush,why do you think he is such an expert photographer?
IanPosted 2 years ago # -
Surely the easiest answer to all of this is for food prices to rise.
Especially the crap that you do see the average chubber in tesco's or iceland eating, Make that stuff expensive and the good food cheaper and they will soon lose weight.
But then who knows, you would soon end up with a version of return of the living dead with armies of fat knackers chasing the innocent once they leave the sanctuary of tescos.
Hmm someone get me that sniper rifle
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It wouldn't be much of a chase LOL
IanPosted 2 years ago # -
FWIW I don't think 'fatism' should be a hate crime, but then I'm not sure about the concept in the first place.
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his fatness is such a secret that it doesn't show up in photographs
I could be fat on the inside...
Surely the easiest answer to all of this is for food prices to rise.
this disadvantages poor people. How about making food free as then people wouldn't need to store an emergency backup on their bodies ?
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this disadvantages poor people. How about making food free as then people wouldn't need to store an emergency backup on their bodies ?
Because if we did that then a fair number of them would rapidly reach critical mass and collapse into a human black hole.
Seriously some people (and I do mean some - not including those who do have medical (mental or otherwise) issues) are quite simply gluttons.
And anyway can you seriously say that if you are at an all you can eat buffet you will not try to stuff yourself stupid?One in particular who is a team leader at work. Intelligent got lots of money but is a fat bastard simply because he is too idle to eat good food. He eats takeaways all the time. And lets be fair judging by the noise he makes when he breathes will expire soon too.
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an old friend i played rugby with married a girl when they were both 21.
he was our captain, he also captained the yorkshire squad...
they had three kids, all lovely girls.
his wife started having a affair when the oldest was 13, his wife left him when she was 14, leaving him with the 3 girls..
so in my eyes he had everything to live for, 3 young girls to look after and a nice house cos the wife let him have it all.
but what he wanted was his wife, he became seriously depressed, he stopped working, and he stopped looking after himself and the girls.
now i did not see him for about 4 years and when i did it nearly bought me to tears, i was totaly shocked.
the bloke must have balloned to 30 stone.
i took him for a coffee and we sat and talked for a bit.
the kids were took off him and went with their mum, he lost the house and had been in and out of hospital with serious heart and blood pressure issues.
i went on a rugby reunion last year and he was there and was still in the top 20 stone region. i talked to a lad who lives near him and said he balloons up to 35 stone, then loses it....not a nice way to live your life...wonder if he decided to get in such a state.....
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And anyway can you seriously say that if you are at an all you can eat buffet you will not try to stuff yourself stupid?
in order to stay the size I want to be I have to put up with being hungry most of the time
So the answer is no, I wouldn't pig out.
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