TS. but i think a lot of peoples ideas of a bike jumping well might be different to yours...
take a pitch to a bmx track. they (like all full suss bikes) DO NOT jump well.
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Not just what you ride.....Best AM Frame??
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cynic-al - Member
OP my point is that your question is subjective and also depends on what terrain you ride and how you ride it.
Therefore the question, and any answer, that don't take into account these factors, is meaningless. I know I'm happy with my bike, but I'm intelligent and honest enough not to purport to have authority to put forward any answer to your question, and I would say the same even if I'd ridden lots of "AM" bikes, which I haven't.
cynic-al - if you had answered the question in anyway, I would have been happy to listen to your opinion/ experience - however, you didn't? You just poke fun as normal? With silly pictures & comments that puts the thread into some sort of spiral downwards - thanks.
I currently ride a Heckler & ride all sorts of different terrain - for example: From Dartmoor, to Les Gets, to California single track - the bike needs to be the true meaning of 'All Mountain' and cover ALL terrain.
I was merely looking for a wide range of 'opinion/ experience' led suggestions, from here I would investigate further as to which best suited - as I too have the intelligence and the experience of riding for many years too both, decide & research the best bike for me - but opinions & experience are great to have in your armory when deciding.
Once again, thank you to all those that have replied - I am just an MTB enthusiast that wants to build a great bike for myself to enjoy.
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boo hoo. read some magazines then if you cant take a bit of light hearted banter.
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What he said, with a dose of "get over yourself".
Anyway I will reveal my answer:
I ride a Heckler and IT IS TEH BE5T BIKE IN TEH WURLD INNIT. Gets ridden old school and gnarly, long and short, in the air and on the ground, Scotland and elsewhere, with my average skilz, I've even overtaken GLupton.
I tried something else then just bought another one as I missed it so much. So I say stay with the H.
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Blimey, the fashionability of Lapierres didn't last long, did it?!
Zesty or Spicy, depending on your All Mountain requirements... (Swinley and AM??
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tracknicko - Member
boo hoo. read some magazines then if you cant take a bit of light hearted banter.
Who the **** asked you? It isn't the banter I have a problem with....I can take that....it's the first quote of 'why bother to answer the question' and the insinuation that I was a spotty 12 year old, which I am clearly not!cynic-al - Member
What he said, with a dose of "get over yourself".
Anyway I will reveal my answer:
I ride a Heckler and IT IS TEH BE5T BIKE IN TEH WURLD INNIT. Gets ridden old school and gnarly, long and short, in the air and on the ground, Scotland and elsewhere, all my average skilz, I've even overtaken GLupton.
I tried something else then just bought another one as I missed it so much. So I say stay with the H.
As for the "get over yourself" - what are you talking about? I do not need to...I am in a forum looking for advice and it seems that it is not always that easy because people ruin your thread and quite frankly it can be majorly annoying! I can not believe how difficult it is to ask a simple question and get a simple answer on STW sometimes - when I respond I respond because I might be able to help in some way, if not I don't - simple is it not?
As for the after advice re the Heckler - thanks - I have always been worried about coming away from the Heckler after so long riding one, but just fancied a change and wondered what other peoples opinions/ experiences where.
Thanks for the advice everyone who gave constructive feedback - I have enough to be going on with now and this thread has gone not in the direction I clearly intended too. THREAD ENDED.
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you **** 'asked' me, you asked everyone on the forum.
and FYI i think al was sayng that it was 12 yr olds responding with 'my bike is best bla bla bla' not that you were a 12 year old for asking.
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tracknicko - Member
you **** 'asked' me, you asked everyone on the forum.
I meant - who asked you to join in on the insults.
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Its an online forum, you dont need to be asked to join in, you just do it man.
It sounds like you've got alot to learn about the internet, and life in general
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Sorry friend, I do think you should take things a little less seriously!
Getting narked at my pic of a duff bike is not going to increase your happiness, and I am always going to post one!
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ha ha. i need an invite to be insulting?
mate you were asking what the best frame out there was. Al said basically 'everyone will say their own bike is best, why bother asking?' (or words to that effect)
you got all shirty. (rightly or wrongly)
hence me saying, if you can't hack it, buy some magazines - read up on what is 'best' and roberts your mothers brother.
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DezB wrote...
(Swinley and AM?? )
2hrs too late - check the end of page one....
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Look guys to clear this up once and for all....
I have read my original post back to Al, re his comments and yes it was shirty (wrongly), but I can admit that. I did not have a problem with the pic, I actually found it quite funny, however....
cynic-al - Member
Seriously though, does anyone believe this question is even worth asking, apart from spotty 12-year-old Top-Trumps-playing boys?
^^^This is what I didn't like - It wasn't saying "Is it worth answering" - it clearly states "is it worth asking" - this makes it sound like Al is telling people not to bother answering because it was a question from a spotty 12 year old?
Reading mags is ok, but where do you get the experiences from there - usually just a load of 'marketing'? So I wanted peoples experiences/ opinions on a bike and not me.
Sorry if I have offended anyone - as I said I was just looking for any info I could get.
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no worries mate, its spiralling into something bigger than it should be.
IMO:
ask someone what bike to get, and 90% of the time they will say theirs.
ask a magazine what to get and they will say either whatever they have been given for free, or score all bikes 9 out of 10 anyway.
just go out and ride some. everytime you see a rider, have a go on his/her bike. form your own opionons. buy your favourite. and voila, you can then (justifiaby??) tell everyone the bike they should get, is the one you have just bought.
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This thread is useless without TLR's input. The benchmark for everything and everyone.
END OF TEH THREAD. FACT
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convert - Member
DezB wrote...
(Swinley and AM?? )2hrs too late - check the end of page one....
As always!
this thread has gone not in the direction I clearly intended too
Do they ever?! Check the one about HDMI cables...
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ChunkyMTB - Member
This thread is useless without TLR's input. The benchmark for everything and everyone.END OF TEH THREAD. FACT
OMG how could we forget?
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ibis mojo.
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tree is the best AM ride I've ever had...
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ibis mojo.
Aye, it even seems OK when some tard fits the shittest tyres known to man to it
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That's because AM is too easy for me, so I make it harder for myself.
RADCORE TO THE MAX111!!!!ONEELEVEN!11
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Dosn't AM mean riding back to the top again as well, rather than leaking like a sieve and stopping to smoke a tab halfway up?
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Oi, chubster, I'll have you know the doc who did my physical before I got out here said I was "the fittest fat bloke I've ever met", so ram it!
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You're the fittest fat bloke I know too
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*twirls*
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tree - fancy a motorboat?
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the answer to OP
I would actually ask "Trail bike or All Mountain bike?"
most of the bikes people have suggested in their replies have been 5" travel (5 x 5) trail bikes
I would class all-mountain as 6" travel (6 x 6) typically with a 67 degree head angle and wider / tougher rims to take bigger tires, than you'd normally use on a trail bike
the biggest selling suspension category in the UK is the "trail" bike, simply because it suits most riders want / need for the UK!
personally? I ride a Devinci Hectik (6 x 6) which is just over 30lb, and with a Fox 36 Talas on the front, and DHX 5 Air with pro-pedal switch on the rear, seems to go up, along and down very rapidly...
when I ride trails, I run the Pro-Pedal 'on' and the fork on 130mm travel which certainly keeps the suspension and geometry lively
I've taken it to Cwm Carn for the uplift (DH) day, and just switched the tires and installed a shorter (50mm) stem and it was 100% at home
since I only have the one bike, and like to go quick on the DHs, and jump / drop off things, I would not trust myself on a trail bike
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Lol at the direction this thread went....
Funny that some people think 6" bikes are too heavy to pedal around, overkill for most uk riding I agree with, but too heavy is rubbish.
In the days when I could only afford one bike I used to ride my VP free with triple crowns everywhere. Even completed skyline at afan on it a couple of times, not in lightning speed but kept up with the guys on a blur/5/Patriot without much issue.
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A poll function on this forum would be interesting. Not necessarily useful as far as answering the question, which is totally open ended and has far too many variables to definitively answer I must add. But it would be nice to see what the STW hive mind thinks.
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It already has.
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Best is just too subjective. Like, I love my Hemlock, I enjoy riding it a lot more than the Five and Zesty I testrode, but I'd say they're both better. The Hemlock's just more fun. There's no best suspension design, no best head angle or travel or frame geometry.
Of all the bikes I've ridden, which is just a fraction of the options, I'd still say my Hemlock because it has a fun factory that many technically superior bikes lack. For me. But you might hate it.
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I agree on the comments about grip. Suspension tracking is key to grip on rough ground. The plusher and more you have then rougher it can be without having to work it with your arms and legs.
My limited experience is that heavier bikes feel more planted and fast on the downhills but unresponsive when pedalling. I guess that's what AM means: winch up, plummet down.
Reign X?
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2010 Specialized Enduro is the best lightweight 'All Mountain' bike, due to it's great geometry and suspension.
If you want something a bit burlier, a SC Nomad is hard to beat. For lighter duty/less travel, it's gotta be a Banshee Spitfire. Anything with a head angle steeper than 67 deg is going to hold you back on 'proper AM' terrain.Posted 2 years ago #
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