i said questions need to be asked of the managers who sent/allowed him back

They were probably concerned that a teacher having too much time off due to "stress" might upset Daily Mail readers 💡

Humanities, How many social workers, do gooders, and team leaders should be involved in the retraining of lower non working class familiy school children to a normal and acceptable way of behaviour,

This bit, I don't like. No need for the prejudice. Very insulting.

I do agree that this teacher should not have been allowed to work with children though, considering his mental state.

Fair and correct judgement 8)

On a separate note, I bet theres at least one smart-arse loudmouth thats just a tad quieter these days 😕

Sorry I meant that if with troubled kids should be referred instead of holding other kids up.

I do agree that this teacher should not have been allowed to work with children though, considering his mental state.

**** AA….Anyone in a condition such as, should not be teaching in the first place, no question.

Thing is, this condition or illness may have developed over time, and not manifested itself until recently. It's not like a broken leg, where you can do an X-ray and see where the problem is. This man had had time off work, but been deemed fit to work again, which is what he wanted. sadly, he wasn't, and health care professionals perhaps should have recognised this. 🙁

If he didn't do anything wrong, what has his mental health got to do with anything – eh ?

He wasn't found guilty with diminished responsibilities – was he ?

I have got to agree that school procedures and management make so much difference. I've worked in a well supported school where systems were in place to swiftly remove trouble kids with their return not a given. I have also worked in a poor school where students were never delt with properly with no consequence for poor behaviour. The balance of power was essentially with the kids. I can't tell you the number of times doing what this guy did crossed my mind. The difference was that I had control of my emmotions enough that it would never be more than a thought. With the right backup a good teacher can deal with anything; the persona is an act and nothing feels personal. Without support the job is impossible.

Edit- to blame school managment is not always correct either. School management will have their balls felt if the exclusion rate goes too high. Society (national & the local community) should take school exclusions as their failure & not heap the blame on the school trying to deal with the issue. Poor behaviour needs to have consequences & when the majority of deep down descent kids realise this I am convinced they will tow the line to everyones advantage.

Sorry if this is unacceptably realistic, but

for most of you on here with ordinary kids in ordinary state schools, the description of that classroom is an accurate portrayal of what your kids get up to every day

using phones to film teachers = normal
texting your mates during lessons = normal
roaming around classroom assaulting other kids with bits of equipment = normal
telling teachers to **ck off = normal
conspiring with other kids to wind up teachers = normal

most of you don't know what your kids are like in school

if you did, you'd be bl@@dy horrified

and then you'd blame the teachers

My point i guess was, a person who is in a position like this should have the back up for things not to get this far…if he had killed him..life over…as it stands not the case but f@'kin hell, that's going to far anyway you look at it…It should have been dealt with by him and his colleagues before the time when he lamps someone with something heavy…only now will the problem be fully addressed for all concerned…we had mad teachers at school but not that mad by a long, long way.

He wasn't found guilty with diminished responsibilities – was he ?

No, he was found Not Guilty of a crime that can only be comitted by a person with sufficient mens rea to have the ability to know what they were doing, at the time of the event, was wrong.

Actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea.

Cobvert; very well put.
It does come down to management.In Scotland it is almost impossible to be expelled,exclusion tables are also published in the papers making strong management look like the school is rough.I see the way they treat weaker colls by how bad behaviour can be when I am doing please takes,and I can see why this guy snapped.

One positive I see is that a lot of people are realising that teachers have a right to a safe enviroment as well as pupils.If our local councils implemented their own policies on treatment of staff in my work,schools would be a lot emptier. I love teaching mind,I just recognise there are problems in the treatment of the few who disrupt,and it is just a few.

I think eldridge was a bit harsh,subby "normal" for "happens" IMO

Eldridge whilst in some cases you maybe right in many you are just plain wrong, no kid has sworn at me for at least two year for example.

I read about this guy in the paper. (normally try and stay away from the tabloids) Article said that he was already seeking help for stress etc, and had recently reduced his hours. We can never judge cases like this as the papers will sensationalise everything, but it does appear to be the correct decision.

My school wasn't too bad for baiting of teachers (obviously there are always the odd occasion and I'm sure everyone will have seen the odd teacher leaving the room in tears) but I work in a school for a day recently. Had a teacher come in to the IT room before her lesson so someone could show her how to restrict access to porn sites as the kids always managed to find sites that were not blocked. Once the kids were in, she had a running battle for the next 60 minutes with a couple of ringleaders baiting her with the assistance of their class mates. She didn't lose her rag but the lesson was hell from the word go, no one got any work done, they chucked water over a computer, one got hauled outside a couple of times where he gave a better dressing down than the teacher, when I walked back in later in the day he was in the heads office with letters being sent home. Sounded like it happens every week 🙄

He was found not guilty of attempted murder – he pleaded guilty to GBH though and will be sentenced.. so he is deemed responsible for that I suppose.

From what I heard on the radio, he'd had a breakdown and been off for 8 months; he did not feel he was ready to come back to work but he was encouraged to I think.

The kids knew he was vulnerable and organised their attempts to get him to crack, one girl even brought in a video camera to video it. It's not to say that all kids are bad, but this is all classic Lord of the Flies stuff.

As mentioned above, it's an important lesson, and I hope they learn from it.

things tend to be reported in a misleading way .this man hasn't been let off ,he will be sentenced for a section 20 wounding [ gbh ] .still a serious offence and as the victim is under 18 he will never work with children again – which may be a blessing . i agree with earlier comments that his managers who allowed him back to work have a degree of responsibility .sounds like this was a time bomb ticking .

Afterwards, Ch Insp Paul Winter, of Nottinghamshire Police, described the investigation as "extremely complicated", needing to be handled in a "highly sensitive way by officers with specialist skills."

Interesting that none of you quoted that.

I think eldridge was a bit harsh,subby "normal" for "happens" IMO

Happened daily in my high school back 15 years ago (and it was the best school in the area apparently). Some teachers left with mental health problems, one killed herself with an alcohol overdose. But it wasn't all kids, it was only a few in each class. And it wasn't all teachers, it was only the ones who were clearly afraid of disciplining the kids. The ones who would repeatedly say "please stop that", "please stop or I'll have to send you out" were walked all over, had ink flicked at them, books thrown at them. We had 3 teachers I can remember who were very good at maintaining control and are the classes I learned most from, they had different techniques but all followed the same principle – you got one warning per month give or take, after that warning you were dealt with severely, but always treated with respect and time if you were behaving well, regardless of history.
One teacher was built like a brick outhouse – his "deal with" was to bawl so loudly at you that winced and to hike you out of class by your collar, allowing you to return and treating you with respect and like a normal human again if you didn't repeat. One student tried to raise the bar by yelling back, he was taken into a side room, a lot of shouting happened and then all went quiet and the guy came out and never put a foot wrong again 😯

One was fairly small and weak but again would act the second you overstepped the line and take you out or deliver you to the head, but always maintained a positive attitude when you were being good and would never make you feel stupid for asking a question.

The third would launch chairs at you if you were cheeky. I mean literally throw them across the class at you. It happened infrequently and it was scary enough to really keep everyone, even the cocky jerks, quiet and studious. But when you were working well he would sink every last second he had and hours of overtime into helping you develop your skills.

I enjoyed school despite not always being on the right side of teachers, I knew the consequences when I misbehaved and I knew I'd be taken seriously, laughed and joked with and and helped if I behaved.

I think it's primarily down to the quality of the teachers, but I think their skills have been hampered by worries over whether their school will support them and whether they'll get sacked for occasionally being scary to keep kids in line.

Good for him. he gets my vote.

I'm rather glad now that I recently removed an antique knobkerry and a ceremonial club from the back of one of my teaching rooms as someone could have got the wrong impression after this case. I do still have a heavy metal (sic) cowbell on my desk, perhaps that should go too?

I don't know if the cctv footage has already been posted :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8653872.stm

He certainly looks "possessed" as he emerges from the storeroom after throwing the dumbell out into the corridor. All in all, a pretty grim episode I reckon 😐