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  • No frothing, no pitchforks. Just a very well argued account of a real issue
  • nickc
    Full Member

    From Refuge website

    Research shows that domestic violence is a deeply gendered issue that disproportionately affects women. For example:

    Metropolitan Police statistics show that male violence against women made up 85% of reported domestic violence incidents

    A 2009 study based on police reports, which accounted for the dynamics of domestic violence, found that only 5% of domestic violence incidents were perpetrated by women in heterosexual relationships

    Domestic violence is patterned, repeated behaviour intended to assert power and control over the victim. Of those who experience 4 or more incidents of domestic violence, 89% are women

    bold is mine

    At this point, everyone really should stop encoding the discussion of DV as being implicitly something that men do to women.

    The website you’ve used for this statement, implicitly says that Domestic Violence is clearly something that men overwhelmingly do to women.

    geetee1972
    Free Member

    Also from the refuge website:

    The 2001/02 British Crime Survey (BCS) found that there were an estimated 635,000 incidents of domestic violence in England and Wales. 81% of the victims were women and 19% were men.

    That was 2001/02 and the numbers of reported cases against women by men have trippled in far less time than this.

    My point is that that balance will almost certainly have changed and even if it hasn’t, there is nothing to be gained by society coding DV as a gender based issue when so many men also experience it and we know full well that DV as experienced by men is vastly more under reported than for women. The situation now is not wholly unlike it was for women 20 years ago, where the problem was not taken seriously and people turned a blind eye.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    Jesus Christ.

    I’ve just caught up with the discussion. What a **** depressing thread.

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    bencooper
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    we know full well that DV as experienced by men is vastly more under reported than for women

    Again, where’s the evidence for this?

    Of course some men suffer from domestic violence, but all the evidence shows it is, by a very large margin, women who suffer at the hands of men.

    robdixon
    Free Member

    Again, where’s the evidence for this?

    Of course some men suffer from domestic violence, but all the evidence shows it is, by a very large margin, women who suffer at the hands of men.

    40% of domestic violence victims are men

    40% of spousal murder victims in USA are men

    Number of bully wives triples

    Of course we don’t really know the true figures because a number of studies have shown that male victims are significantly less likely to report abuse to the police than female victims. We also know that CPS data collection in this area is abysmal.

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    New data today shows that the conviction rate for DV perpetrated by women against men has trippled in the last 10 years.

    You have also assumed that male conviction rates on the same period have remained static and they have not due to legislative change – the victim no longer has to agree to prosecute being the main one.

    there is nothing to be gained by society coding DV as a gender based issue when so many men also experience it

    Clearly we must not minimise male victims but the notion that the perpetrators are not predominately male and the victim predominantly female requires one to willfully ignore the evidence whilst cherry picking furiously and misrepresenting what it says/means
    TBH the rates of ALL violence are equally disproportionately committed by men, the reality is men are, in general, more violent than women whether to each other or across gender. Anything else is a lie/factually incorrect.

    and we know full well that DV as experienced by men is vastly more under reported than for women.

    We really do not know this to be the case at all.

    kcr
    Free Member

    Refuge’s own data from 2000/2001 showed that the split was about 80/20 in terms of DV committed by men and women respectively.

    The Refuge web page actually says this:

    The 2001/02 British Crime Survey (BCS) found that there were an estimated 635,000 incidents of domestic violence in England and Wales. 81% of the victims were women and 19% were men.
    http://www.refuge.org.uk/get-help-now/what-is-domestic-violence/domestic-violence-the-facts/

    Refuge’s figures are for the victims of domestic violence, not the perpetrators. Are you assuming that every female victim was abused by a man, and every male victim was abused by a woman?

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