the new one has been classified a motorway so they don’t have to make ped/cycle provision, rather than vice versa. There is no intrinsic requirement for motorwaying it. Hrmph
New bridge is a motorway, cant have cyclists or pedestrians on it, old one isn’t.
The old one is dual carriageway A(M)-style, the pedestrian/cycle provision is entirely separate from the roadway, as it could have been on the new one if they’d cared to plan for it.
the new one has been classified a motorway so they don’t have to make ped/cycle provision, rather than vice versa. There is no intrinsic requirement for motorwaying it. Hrmph
Hrmmph indeed, imagine having a separate bridge (which was already there) for cyclists and pedestrians. Should have spent millions on knocking the old bridge down and adding more cost to the new bridge by adding dedicated cycling/pedestrian access in a position where they can take full advantage of the health-giving benefits of diesel and petrol fumes.
EDIT – my mistake, the old bridge will become a “public transport corridor” so buses, bikes and pedestrians still use it. So still some diesel fumes to deal with
The old one is dual carriageway A(M)-style, the pedestrian/cycle provision is entirely separate from the roadway, as it could have been on the new one if they’d cared to plan for it.
Why would they pay extra when there is a perfectly good bridge right next to it that cyclists and pedestrians can use? What next, modify the rail bridge?
That’s what I thought – old bridge to be bike+bus etc. bridge until it rusts too much.
Odd about the opening of the new one too. Open it, close it so they can do a walk on the new bridge, close it again for an opening ceremony, open it again, close it again. Then open it properly.
Can’t they just have the sponsored walks and opening ceremonies on the same day, and then open it to traffic? Or was the beeb story a bit misleading?
Why would they pay extra when there is a perfectly good bridge right next to it that cyclists and pedestrians can use?
Because, as anyone who has had the “road tax” argument knows, we ALL pay for roads (and bridges), including cyclists and pedestrians.
The current situation is fine, but fast-forward a decade or two and people will be questioning why they are paying so much money keeping an ageing second bridge open and maintained just for buses and cyclist/pedestrians.
I always thought this with Second Severn Crossing (the old one even though also a motorway has a segregated pedestrian/bike path but the new one doesn’t). For the SSC I can only assume that it’s because after the bridge (Welsh side) there’s still only motorway for quite a way so they wouldn’t have had a simple connection – maybe that’s the case for the new Forth bridge? If not then it’s a stupid design decision not to have a bike/pedestrian path.
I’m sure I read it originally had pedestrian and cycling provision, but was cut to save money. When I first saw that walk the bridge thing I was surprised they were making such a big deal that this is your one and only chance to cross on foot, like it was a good thing they left paths at the side out. As above, if they keep the other bridge open then fine, but bridges don’t last forever.
Also the old bridge’s lifespan’s increased massively by reducing the load on it, one of the reasons it needed replacement was that it was way way over its planned capacity (the cable corrosion I think has actually been solved?).
The new bridge should outlast the old though so there’s still going to be a gap in the future. Or maybe we’ll all just teleport over by then.
Heh, just made the mistake of reading the Scotsman comments section on this 🙂
Can I just be the first to say “bloody SNP!” I am sure it will appear at some point. Rumour is that they are keeping two bridges to facilitate the return of Fifers before dark as smoothly as possible.
The current situation is fine, but fast-forward a decade or two and people will be questioning why they are paying so much money keeping an ageing second bridge open and maintained just for buses and cyclist/pedestrians.
The maintenance costs for the exisiting bridge will reduce dramatically once there is limited traffic on it. It will be the same maintenance staff/operating company covering both road bridges so probably not much of an overall increase in costs between running one massively overused bridge and two within capacity.
There were high hopes in Kirkliston that the opening of the new bridge and associated infrastructure might ease the chronic congestion we seem to experience as all of Fife uses the village as a rat run to West Lothian.
Traffic conditions as of 3pm this afternoon – Backed up as far as the eye can see… 🙄
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If the new one is a motorway, how do learner drivers cross the Forth?
From some time in 2018, learner drivers (in dual control cars with a qualified instructor present) will be able to drive on motorways. Source.
I don’t know about other learners and other vehicles prohibited from driving on motorways. Perhaps mopeds and people being taught to drive by their parents will be allowed onto the old bridge?