Yep, sounds to me like you've been a pretty good and considerate neighbour and he's the one with a problem. One thing I will say is that you never know what might happen with people like him - tomorrow he might keel over with something alcohol-related and then you'll have peace and harmony. But you've still got to start documenting his unreasonable behaviour. Did you try inviting him in to go round the flat and check out the sources of noise that upset him so much? If he can see that you're careful he might calm down a little. An offer of a drink would sort that out.
You've been more than reasonable. If someone came knocking on my door at that time I'd be telling him to do one!
If he woke you up at 2am who was making noise?
5am is pretty early to be getting up, but FFS what are you supposed to do?
Bugger the patio. New stereo and bigger speakers then you can't hear him banging upstairs.
Stay off the Crunchy Nut Cornflakes.
(sorry, shouldn't trivialise this. It would drive me nuts.) (Oops, no pun intended!)
My sister had a similar situation in her block of flats, can't remember if the guy lived above or below her, complaints of doors, washing machine, moving chairs, hoovering. Brought it to the attention of the housing situation, they visited the guy, his flat was completely void of furniture apart from an armchair and tv, pointed out that it was like an echo-box to him with no furniture and to be more reasonable.
No problems since I believe.
Contacted the landlady and the management company today.
The landlady said to keep her informed if anything escalates, the management co are going to write a letter to his landlord and await a reply. They won't get involved with the dispute directly but are happy to act as a mediator with regards to correspondence.
Hopefully this will put an end to it, but I somehow think this could be a long battle.
Keep us posted. I'm interested because we had a neighbour problem when drug dealers moved in next door but I'm also interested in the way isolation warps people's sense of reality. The drug dealers were dangerous criminals but in your case my inclination would be to offer sympathy and help to the neighbour in the hope of making him a friend. So much of neighbour trouble is down to ignorance and prejudice and I'm convinced that if neighbours would sit down and have a sociable drink together all their issues would be resolved, or at least made bearable.
I'm convinced that if neighbours would sit down and have a sociable drink together all their issues would be resolved, or at least made bearable.
Sometimes maybe, I tried to get to know my neighbour.
In all honesty it'd have been better if I hadn't.
A petty sour little man.
Yeah, sounds to me like paranoid delusions, sorry. Noise is not the issue here, the guy needs help.
It's harassment, surely. Him harassing you.
He sounds like a first class bell-end and you appear to have already gone way, way over and above the call of duty to try and accommodate him.
If I was you I think I'd just not even bother worrying about the noise now as he's clearly only going to complain no matter what anyway.
You have my sympathies- one of my friends lived in a really nice flat down the road from me and spent ages getting it really nice. Turned out the old lady below her was hyper-sensitive to noise and would complain about everything and anything at all hours to the point of being utterly unreasonable and borderline psychotic. Of course nobody will believe that the young couple in their late twenties are being reasonable and that the the sweet old lady is actually the one with a problem. It got to the point where they only had visitors round once in a blue moon and we'd all have to whisper but still after 10mins....broom on the floor from underneath and my friend would be crying as she felt like a prisoner in her own flat.
In summary as regards the guy above you, **** him. If he's that bothered about everyday noise he should go and live on top of a hill in Scotland or something.
Spoken to my immediate neighbour and he was knocking on all the flats over the weekend telling everyone to keep the noise down. He said that I was making banging noises early Saturday morning, which is a lie as I was in Cheltenham all weekend (Friday to Sunday evening). He's just knocked on my door but I didn't answer as I'm keen not to have to deal with him face-to-face until I get a reply through the management company.
Thankfully my buzzer doesn't work so he can't use that to wake me up later (I'm on a week of early starts again and he has just tried it) and he will be heard by the neighbours if he knocks on the door.
Currently searching for alternative places to rent as I would rather get out of the situation than have it drag for months. Not happy.
Dont blame you for wanting to get away but if he's harassing all the neighbours then surely the landlord/management company have to do something as it's affecting everyone in the block?
He's focussing on me as I'm directly below him. The others are ignoring him as much as they can. The management company won't get involved directly, stating it's not their responsibility and that I should call the police if he gets abusive or threatening.
Just about to leave for work and he's up, hopefully I can leave without having to talk to him but I very much doubt it.
Ive got a couple of 450watt active pa speakers and a slayer cd you can borrow.
Think it is time you got all your neighbours to sign petition against this guy-send it to his landlord to get him out! Don't think you need is speakers to wind him up, just set your door closers to slam, and make sure you make full use of that bathroom light switch- when he comes down just let him let him know not to bother coming down again.
Just had another confrontation with him.
Was washing my bike on the drive after a weekend's biking (I got back late so didn't do it yesterday) and he came down, initially in a reasonable mood. He said the noise was less this weekend, but that he could still hear me moving around in the evenings. Told him I'd been away all weekend (left early Friday morning, back Sunday evening) and he instantly started to yell and get aggressive. I told him there was no need to yell as I was only in front of him and he got very agitated. I told him to stop yelling or I'd suspend the conversation and call the police. At this point one of my neighbours came out to see what all the noise was about, where he instantly started to back down and behave reasonably normal.
The neighbour got involved and pointed out that she never hears me (she's directly below) and that it could well have been her making the noise this weekend as they had friends round. She also pointed out that there is always someone coming or going all the time, so the noise could be anyone. He didn't seem to take this in so started going on about how he puts the bins out for everyone and that he's in charge of the general tidiness of the place (he isn't, he's just a tenant that has been here a long time). I pointed out that I do my bit (wash the drive, park my car tight against the wall, etc) and he started going on about how he sweeps the drive every week and that it is his job to do it. At this point he left.
Finished washing my bike and made my way back up to my flat, where I noticed that the front inner door had been opened (I wedge the main door open to get the bike back in with the inner door shut), he had been the only person to go past it. I'm presuming he opened it to look for me as nothing has been moved, but I have no proof so will have to be careful from now on.
I've phoned the local police station to see where I stand with the aggressive behaviour, as it's plainly only being directed at me and when there are no witnesses (classic bully?) but there is little they can do without proof. The management company are unwilling to get involved despite me putting a complaint about his behaviour to them. They just forwarded it on to his landlord, who I know has had a word with him as he brought it up when yelling at me. The council are also not willing to get involved at this stage either.
I have also noticed that the other residents are no longer willing to be involved in this dispute - they just ignore him now as he's only directing his anger at me.
Still looking for somewhere else to live, but the price hike is a barrier.
Any suggestions on further courses of action?
He said the noise was less this weekend, but that he could still hear me moving around in the evenings. Told him I'd been away all weekend (left early Friday morning, back Sunday evening)
That bit at least made me laugh.
Pity you can't sneak into his place when he's out, and put several dead rats under his floorboards...
Maybe a couple of kippers behind his radiators.
I would suggest you go to your local Council website and look up "Statutory Noise" - if you do not fit the criteria and I'm sure you will not I would ignore this guy. Sounds like he is picking on you because you are responding. It sounds like he has no grounds to complain of noise. You have a right to be able to enjoy your life, respect your privacy etc. If everyone else is ignoring him then I would do the same.
When he has another go out you, suggest that he reports the matter to the council and call his bluff! He can't do anything to you unless you meet the criteria of causing a Statutory Noise Nuisance.
OP, this sounds like a proper nightmare.
Hope it gets sorted one way or another.
TBH it seems a bit weird that you are the only one he 'bullies', have you tried telling him where to go? I appreciate that confrontation should be the last resort but it sounds as if you have been entirely reasonable so I don't think you would be out of order to tell him to do one.
We have a bully next to us and when we moved in we became the target for complaints which were completely unreasonable. When speaking to other neighbours we were told that unless you stand up to her she will keep picking on you. I tried for a long time to still be polite and reasonable but when I found out that she even had made up stories about us to spread as gossip I thought enough is enough. So when she phoned to complain about my friends getting into a taxi to go to the airport one morning I told her to "get over it" and hung up. Feel a lot better now I've given up pleasing her!
Maybe that is your answer if you tried everything else. He obviously doesn't feel it is unpleasant enough to complain to you.
i have had the noise problem when i lived at my parents home, it went on for years, eventually sorted when my dad went round and kicked the guys arse up and down the street (literally)
my advice, dont enter into any conversation with him at all, its pointless as he isnt listening to you (or anyone else)
and the next time he bangs on the floor/door at 2am call the police.
or kick his head in, but if youre gonna do that be sure there are no witnesses.
You say you're the only one he's being aggressive to - are you sure of that? If he picks on people individually, maybe everyone else is thinking the same thing?
I think if it were me, I'd get the other neighbours onside and then give him a week of demonstrating what a noisy neighbour actually sounds like.
Actually, that's a lie.
I'd probably say to him "look mate, whatever you can hear, it's not me; but if you ever hassle me again, I'm buying a drum kit."
and some Bagpipes...
what cougar said tbh
i feel for you problem is when folk are this unreasonable there is generally very little you can do to appease them or make it better as you are not doing anything to make it bad anyway. It is not like you can be any quieter than not being there which was still too noisy!!
Best of luck but I have nothing useful to add
It is a real nightmare, more so due to the way it seems as though the matter is resolved for a while before it all comes back again.
I have considered just punching him when he's being aggressive and claiming self-defence but it's too much of a risk as my job requires me to have no criminal record!!
Cougar, the neighbours are all steering clear now. Will give the management company a call tomorrow and see if he is responsible for all the stuff he claims to be, see if I can get them involved from that angle or at least get clarification.
jesterthefirst - I'll call the council and see where I stand as their website only gives info on making a complaint. I'm positive I am not being a nuisance but knowing the guidelines will be of use in the event of him making it official/me telling him to make a complaint and to stop harassing me.
there is generally very little you can do to appease them
I think this is pretty key. He's not going to be won over by reasoned debate; ergo, you need to make if VERY CLEAR that you absolutely will not tolerate him harassing you. After that, any further attempt should be met either with silence or foxtrot oscar. You're gaining nothing from talking to him, so don't.
Will give the management company a call tomorrow and see if he is responsible for all the stuff he claims to be
He's almost certainly responsible for two things, Jack and Shit. Clarification from the Management company would give you ammo the next time he plays the big 'I am', but by even engaging with him he's already won.
"I'm responsible for blah blah" and whining about noise when you're away all weekend, he's a mentalist; I reckon the only thing he wants from you is attention.
Sounds to me like you need to be a bit less careful. Imagine if you actually were the kind of inconsiderate person he's claiming you to be. Would you care about him or his peace? Would you be posting this? Would you be bothered? I don't think you would, because you'd be the kind of person we like to complain about as well meaning members of society. Essentially you're trapped by your well meaning attitude. Unfortunately it isn't solving the situation. So, stuff him. Ignore him. Keep your log, don't do anything that authorities can chastise you for, keep your nose clean but just stop giving a monkeys about him. Tell him to direct correspondence to your mediator. You don't want anything to do with him.
make sure you mention how threatened you feel and how aggressive they are to the management company - you think they might hit you
You could point this out in your self defence claim
I doubt violence will actually help TBH but if you do feel threatened make sure folk know in case you need to do something
OP the local authority may have a mediation service to help solve neighbour disputes but TBH it does sound from your posts that your angry neighbour is picking on you because he can and he won't be let up until he has it all his way.
Next time he complains, tell him there's nothing more you can do because he can hear you making noise in your flat even when you're out. Tell him he's a crazy lunatic and the noises are in his head and you're not wasting any more time on his imaginings. Keep on pointing that out until he sods off. Don't punch him unless he swings at you first and if you do, get onto the police before he does and make sure you tell them he attacked you first.
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