nickc: can I suggest you read the thread in full, especially my opening message in its entirety, and don't quote selected sections only ...
BTW it's "lose" not "loose" 
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Need to lose some weight ... anyone else?
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I lost just over a stone in about 8 weeks earlier in the year. Didn't really take much to shift it. The main thing I did was start jogging every other evening for about 20 minutes and I cut out drinking fizzy drinks with meals and had water/Robinson's squash instead.
I'm now trying to lose about another quarter/half a stone by upping the running to 30-45 minutes every other evening and eating less carbs.
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SS I'm not trying to dampen your enthusiasm, really I'm not. But if you want to lose weight and keep it off there's only ONE method. Reduce your calorie intake and increase your calorie useage. Any one tells you any different is lying to you. Go into your diet with some realism. And having a curry each week ain't gonna help is it?
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Have lost 5kg in the last 2 months through a bit more exercise and a lot less food. I still eat exactly what I want, just take one potato fewer etc.
A long way to go - another 15kg - but I'd rather do the slow and steady route than go for a mad no-food binge.
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Point taken, nickc - I do understand the calories in / out side of things, and accept that this is the brutal part of it, but there's also the bit where you need to eat enough to function, not mess up your metabolism, get some enjoyment out of what you eat (as eating less isn't much fun), and do it manageably rather than evangelically. What niggles me is that I don't have loads to lose, but the final few pounds seemto be the worst by far (- in psychological not calorie terms).
I also appreciate that curry won't help in itself - I was happy to give that up, but iDave's plan suggests a day off. Maybe I'll stick with the "low oil" option
Doesn't help that husband is a good cook too ... I must moderate portion sizes.It's good to hear the success stories though - works for me.
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Thanks SS! <3
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And having a curry each week ain't gonna help is it?
I intend to have curry most evening and this will be the key to my weightloss and my secret weapon!
& SS got your email and I'll set something up
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A dodgy curry would probably work wonders ...
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(Virtually) No Fat Curry
Fry 2 massive onions chopped into big(ish) pieces in as little oil (teaspoon?) as you dare. If you’ve got some garlic through that in as well, can't hurt, and when you think they are looking nice, add a bit of water to the pan. They should be sort of brown(ish) and soft.
Chuck in some tinned tomatoes, 2 or 3 tins usually does it, (depends on how tomatoey you like it).
Chop up 2 Butternut Squashes in to pieces that are a bit bigger than an oxo cube and throw them in the pot.
Slice up 3 red & 3 green chilies
Some mixed herbs and a bit of paprika go in
Peas, peppers, raisins, apple all seem to work well.
Throw in a liberal amount of curry power (half of one of those Tesco pots usually)
Simmer for about an hour to break down the squash and thicken.And because you've made loads put into old chinese tubs and freeze. Easy dinner when your knackered and fancy a takeaway.
Tastes good, eat with brown rice add a bit chicken do what you like, no rules
Apart from 1 teaspoon of oil and curry powder everything that goes in is just veg & very good for you
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I got riding twice a week (Sunday and Wednesday) and football twice a week (Monday and Thursday). Is there a recommended day I should have my 'off' day?
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"Not confident enough to try any biking events"
"OH and I were training for the OMM last year..."
You were planning on doing a two day fell running race, but you won't do a 50km mountain bike marathon ?
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****, just weighed myself 13.5st, not good as a shortarse at 5'8. Looks like I need to get out on the bike more.
Target 11st! (I was only 11.5st before breaking my leg in March so def achieviable).
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MidlandTrailquestsGraham: fair one, I've done mountain endurance stuffon and off over the past 15 years (on foot) but never on a bike ... I'm not sure I have the technical skills, but maybe I should try
I've always regarded MTB as a bit of fun when off on my own for a day, as OH can't ride a bike properly. OMM was going to be more of a fast shuffle/bog-trot than a run!
Frodo: you need to join our motivational club
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Best thing you can possibly do is look at what calories are in everything.
I know a lot of people go "Oooh, Calorie Counting" and assume you must be an anorexic for going to such lengths, but it makes a huge difference to what eat and how you lose weight. A lot of flavourless "diet" foods are no less calorific than the nice equivalent, and are far less satisfying.
Say, Special K Bar VS a 2 finger Kitkat or Blue Riband. The Spesh bar is foul, the other two seem like quite a nice treat. All contain more or less the same calories.
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Tiger6791, the point isn't necessarily what's in the curry that's the issue, it's the amount on the plate. It's JUST about the calories...That's the only thing that matters when you're trying to lose weight. If you had your lovely curry (and it's does sound like a lovely curry BTW) and let's for argument say a plate with rice is 800-1000 calories*, and I have a couple of doughnuts and they're 500 calories...I'll be the one losing weight...
Losing weight is a numbers game. End of discussion.
SS you say you understand the science, but you also say you always seem to be looking to lose that last extra little bit, then the answer is: Apply your knowledge. It's empowering once you understand it IS actually about what goes in the hole between your nose and chin...
* I'm not suggesting that a plate of this would be 800-1000 calories, OK, just making the point.
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while calorie counting is not the way to go about it, bear in mind the 'effort cost' of calories. Which is 'easier' - not eating a mars bar, or running for 45 mins?
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Just been harvested for platelet today but was told to stop eating the delicious lard due to high visible fat in my platelet ... errmmmm ... might be high cholesterol. Made the mistake of eating some good nice poach eggs, all butter croissants and more butter bread this afternoon. Damn.
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In an ideal world, I-Dave, you'd eat the mars AND run the 45 minutes....
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"... I'm not sure I have the technical skills..."
Don't let the constant talk of "technical skills" on this forum lead you in to believing that they make any significant difference in the real world.
Just get on yer bike and ride. When you come to the risky looking bits, get off and walk. That's what I do.Posted 1 year ago # -
Tiger6791, the point isn't necessarily what's in the curry that's the issue, it's the amount on the plate. It's JUST about the calories...That's the only thing that matters when you're trying to lose weight. If you had your lovely curry (and it's does sound like a lovely curry BTW) and let's for argument say a plate with rice is 800-1000 calories*, and I have a couple of doughnuts and they're 500 calories...I'll be the one losing weight...
Losing weight is a numbers game. End of discussion.
SS you say you understand the science, but you also say you always seem to be looking to lose that last extra little bit, then the answer is: Apply your knowledge. It's empowering once you understand it IS actually about what goes in the hole between your nose and chin...
* I'm not suggesting that a plate of this would be 800-1000 calories, OK, just making the point.
Fair point but look at it from a common sense point of view.
Yes it's all just calories but there are good calories and bad ones. You could eat 2000 cals of lard everyday and nothing else or you could eat 2000 cals from bananas. Both will have exactly the same energy but I think it's more complex than the ton of feathers or ton of bricks analogy.
The curry's bulk is butternut squash, now a kilo of this stuff is 380 cals, you try eat a kilo of it!
So yes it is down to quantity but real world is that 350g of the curry above will be about ~
curry 350g - 150 cals
rice 125g - 201 calsso nearly half a kilo of food and your @ 351 cals with virtually none of it from fats
add in chicken 100g - 113 cals
So big fat meal with loads of veg, rice, and chicken. infact 575g worth of carbs and protien is going to fill you up be good for you and give you about 465 cals
now your dohnut will be about 75g and ~250 cals with little protien, so you could have 2 dohnuts for about the same cals
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There are good calories and bad ones.
Bitchin'
I'm not the one trying to lose weight.
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I know the theory bit, but don't profess to know the science. Is it that simple, though? I'm sure I've read/heard somewhere that after dieting for a while you can "plateau", i.e. still taking in reduced calories & exercising the same, but the body adjusts ("starvation effect") and then weight loss can taper off.
As I say, I don't understand the actual science bit, other than in simple layman's terms, but I suspect there may be a little more than just reducing calories, in that any adjustment the body makes needs to be countered and you need to avoid losing muscle (so it's good to keep up exercise, which also means keeping up enough calorie intake to have enough energy to exercise too).
I'm sure someone will come along and correct me!
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When you come to the risky looking bits, get off and walk. That's what I do
not sure I'd recommend that. I tried it once, in the wet. Ended up in hospital for a few days with this:
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lost 2.5 stone to date............slowed down now.
19.5 stone now.
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Right, just a quick question...
Before hitting a trail centre, we drink a bottle of lucosade sport...
On the iDave plan, this would have to be knocked on the head?
I was on the understanding that on a long ride, you carry a litre per hour water and a fructose/ salts based isotonic type drink.Also what's the script on Gels, bars?
TBH, i have resisted using the energy products in my pack of late, figuring as fubard as i am, i am carrying round ample energy stored around my midriff..Posted 1 year ago # -
Goodness me, how difficult do you want to make it ?
Just read the guide, use some CS and get on with it. Simples !.
Ton.
I think you've been following a different eating guide IIRC, but good on you for keeping with it and congrats on the weight loss.
I hope you're happy with the results so far.
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Hi,
Can someone please email me the iDave doc? email in profile.
Currently hovering around 18st. Shape changed a lot since doing more biking but really keen to get get shifting some blubber
Thanks in advance
Chris
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I'm very healthy and marathon ready! Can't wait till the next race! I'll race you too the cake stand.
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what is this idave plan all about? can someone mail me if it is a secret.
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I wonder how many curries the staff in the local Indian eat per week - and they are nearly universally skinny.
Try not eating after 8pm for a start - Sumo wrestlers eat after 8pm just so they will put weight on. A rider in our group is trying this and it is helping a lot with weight loss.
Get somewhat aerobically fit - I find that this stops the grazing urge a lot.
Ensure that you are slightly hungry before each meal - if you are not start reducing the portions in the previously scheduled meal.
As a bloke I find weighing myself every morning is a good way to keep everything in check, but it probably doesn't work for a girl.
I also find eating turkey and baked potatos (even with loads of butter) works for me.
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Erm I had three large helpings of homemade chicken stew last night.
I thought 'its the second night, might as well finish it off'.....and it kept on coming
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if anyone fancies sending me the iDave diet document i'd be really thankful!
i've been making an effort to "change my diet" rather than "go on a diet" that way after i've lost some weight i wont be going back to "normal eating" and put it back on again.. i can just carry on as i am.
my plan at present basically involves eating breakfast (first time for about 15 years) each morning, wiping out white bread and replacing it with healthy living cardboard-wholemeal type stuff, snacking on cucumber, baby tomatos and celery between meals, not eating after 6pm unless its a special occasion or a little bit of fuel on a ride. i'd say once a week i break the rules and share a curry or have a couple of slices of pizza with the other-half. the hardest thing is saying no to all the sweet stuff my housemate and other-half fill the house with!
i dont really drink alcohol.. maybe about 2 units a month on average over the year so havent had to change that.
riding has definately helped shift some weight, i'm hoping to pick up a cheap second hand exercise bike to use on the nights we cant get out on the mtb... even if its only 20 minutes it'll help boost the metabolism
i dont really eat much meat anymore, if i do then its chicken breast or a thin slice of ham (fat cut off) so hopefully i'm doing the right thing in general!
of course any hints and tips would be welcome
good luck everyone on their efforts!!
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Yes it's all just calories but there are good calories and bad ones
Calories is a unit of energy, simple as that and as such there are no "good" or "bad" calories in terms of energy. Granted there are other health issues that can result in getting all your energy from lard as opposed to complex carbohydrates or fruit or veg but energy is energy.
As for debunking calories in - calories out, that's is an application of the laws of thermodynamics and these laws apply to all systems where energy is transferred. I'd love to see a diet whereby weight was lost by increasing the amount of energy consumed without a commensurate increase in phycial activity.
There are undoubtedly many mechinisms to make the whole calories in- calories out easier to achieve but in essence that is all that any successful diet will do. Although if someone can present real data to say otherwise then I'd love to read it.
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gonefishin, I'd stop now if I were you chap, no one wants to hear that you have to eat less.
Never fails to amaze me the hoops that fast arsed sofa dwellers will jump through to convince themselves that if they don't have 3 squares a day plus in between snacks that they'll die horribly in some bizarre lack of food driven nightmare, and no one wants to break into a sweat, or has time for it, and they still want to have a curry or two every week, and lose 3kg by this time next Wednesday...
SS google images from the Ethiopian famine (because I can't be arsed to post them here), and try to work out if any of them have 'plateaued' yet.
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