But only an idiot (or a painfully liberal "progressive" one) would see this as anything other than oppression and misogyny at work.
Well we have cited the Koran and the reasons it gives – oddly it does not mention the things you say. I guess all the people who do it are idiots and painfully progressive Liberals – that will come as a shock to the Taliban but hey thanks for the info
People keep having ludicrous positions then saying anyone who disagrees is an idiot – odd.
You should look at the real reasons behind this and not half arsed examples of women who "choose" to cover their faces.
The Koran has been cited- oh the westerner non Muslim knows the real reason- why not force it on women to liberate them
After all if I gave you an example of a Pakistani who thinks its funny and acceptable to be called a "paki" by his mates then you would be rightly horrified.
Someone can do as they please – I would let them choose whether I approved or not. The same as the veil its not my choice to make.
You should extend the same indignation to women here and abroad.
I have, I let them choose
You are the one with the contradictory position of telling me its bad to oppress women and force them to wear clothes of your choosing and then choosing to force them to wear clothes of your choosing. If its bad dont do it. Oh I forgeot your way of forcing them liberates them but the other lots way is oppressive.
The veil has no place in British society it's completely counter to what we believe about the rights of women and so forth
As far as I am aware we don’t have a view that says a lady cannot cover her face if she so chooses.*
I ride with someone who wears a buff over her face in winter – shall I liberate herself from herself because her actions run counter to what we believe?
The veil is not about personal choice it's an insidious device for the oppression of some muslim women.
Your right what they need is a western male non muslim with no understanding of their reasons to free them by insidiously oppressing them to wear the clothes you choose for them instead. Its a ridiculous position to have - both sides tell women what to do in order to "protect" them. Let the women choose what they want to wear.
If we're being accommodating, is it too much to ask to be accommodated back in return?
Well a meat eater had a veggie meal at your house – are you going to accommodate them and eat meat at theirs?
A meat eater has no rules about eating a veggie meal just like we have no rules about veils.
* FWIW lets not kid ourselves here that society is somehow free here. Much of the liberation of women is relatively recent. For example we had to enforce equal pay a mere 40 years ago and still the disparity in pay exists. Lets get our own house in order whilst we present ourselves as paragon to the world.