I always thought strike was last resort after all other means of protest have been exhausted. Work to rule etc. Can they hand on heart say that there is no alternitive (yet) to strike?
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I always thought strike was last resort after all other means of protest have been exhausted. Work to rule etc. Can they hand on heart say that there is no alternitive (yet) to strike?
I'm still conflicted as to whether the strike is the right thing to do, but it's certainly keeping the topic in the news more than if it was just the negotiations going on. The speed of the implementation of the change being introduced along with the government's seeming disinclination of negotiate on some points means that there's not a lot of point in waiting until after negotiations have ended.
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Gove's every move seems to be driven by classic free market economic concepts - what barriers are there to a free market in school education? - well the fact that teachers pay and conditions is negotiated nationally is percieved by free marketeers as a "distortion" similarly that the fact that teachers have to be qualified creates an artificial "scarcity"
Think the tories are very happy to pick a fight with teacherslaughably whilst taking central control and removing the support (not control) of local authorities
http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2011/01/government-bullies-schools-considering-academy-status/
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Future teachers will be stuffed. Student Loan repayments, plus extra pension contributions, plus stupid house prices, plus no jobs because they're full of old duffers who can't retire yet.
I'd say future everyone will face this issue. It is beyond mere ideology, too - the issue is one of expectation. And the expectations have been too high for too long.
But, of course, with tories in power, public sector workers are going to get a kicking in this regard....
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Berm Bandit - Member
Watched the thing from the "Campaign For Real Education" on breakfast TV this am. Between her and Gove I suspect I'd need to recruit David Hay as an assistant..Best not spoil Hay's chances for the big fight, I’ll give you a hand if you want.
I would normally never strike a woman but in this case I am willing to make an exception!
She was/is a hideously annoying stuck up old bag.Posted 11 months ago # -
Gove is my MP.
A very decent chap
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it's equivalent to saying he'd be happy for anyone to go in to work as a copper if the police went on strike!
Well the public seem quite good at dealing with burglars so why not. I'm off on Thursday, I think I might tell the kids this evening that it's ok school will be open and I'll be teaching them. That should go down well.
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allthepies - Member
Gove is my MP.
A very decent chap
his plans for pe reform were inspired to cut a shedload of funding and use the olympics as a model to replace pe lessons twaaaaaaaaaaat of the highest order imho
Posted 11 months ago # -
Gove is my MP.
A very decent chap
A case of one knob voting for another?
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I always thought strike was last resort after all other means of protest have been exhausted. Work to rule etc. Can they hand on heart say that there is no alternitive (yet) to strike?
A one day strike now is the lesser evil to educational attainment. All exams done. Working to rule for a few weeks would have a much bigger effect. Although I agree the current strike may have been premature.
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Franksinatra; As a teacher, a work to rule; 35 hours and not a second more,would have a FAR greater impact on childrens education than one day strikes.
Other news;
The BBC also reported on the forthcoming meeting between union leaders and Francis Maude and spoke of there being “very little room to manoeuvre” because the raiding of public service pension funds was part of the “deficit reduction plan”.
And I thought the excuse was everybody living longer?
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Tehre is no desire to negotiate at all from the Government side. ~Tehy want to either provoke a strike or destroy the pensions. preferably both. They have already said what the solution they will impose is in broad.
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Strange to hear this attitude to striking from Gove, he seemed quite keen on it when he was in the NUJ.
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Nobody seems to have realised that the teachers are on holiday in the next few weeks for a long time, so Gove will just change the pension when theyre off , and when they come back it will all be done, so easy and theyll fall for it.
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Mr Gove does have a very punchable face.
You're kidding me........why would anyone want to punch this face ?
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Same as the NHS pension fund which has also been reviewed. For many years the NHS pension fund has been in surplus with more being paid in than taken out.
You've been called on this before TJ, but you trotted it out again - the NHS pension scheme is unfunded, it doesn't not have a fund, it has never had a fund,
do you understand this concept, *there is no fund and never has been a fund* it is a pension scheme
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*there is no fund and never has been a fund*
yes, but it has always been in surplus
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Zulu - its you that as usual has no idea at all what you are drivvling on about.
What I said is absolutely true.
For decades and still now each year more is paid in pension contributions than is taken out. This surplus has been used as revenue by the exchequer rather than being invested or saved. So if the scheme goes into deficit in the future then its only fair the exchequer makes up the deficit as the exchequer took the surplus. Bit like an employers contributions holiday leaving a fund in deficit.
The NHS pension is affordable, sustainable and reasonable. Its nasty envious selfish types that want to destroy one of the small bonuses of working for the NHS.
Reducing the pensions will not save money as more people will end on benefits.
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He looks like pob
Once again, that is all, carry on...
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. So if the fund goes into deficit in the future ...
What fund?
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TandemJeremy - Member
Zulu - its you that as usual has no idea at all what you are drivvling on about.
What I said is absolutely true.
Calm down TJ. Zulu-Eleven like his guru Dan Hannan, hates the NHS 'cause it's not designed to make a profit, and wants it replaced with the American model. And like his guru, he will tell a pack of lies to undermine it.
Zulu-Eleven's guru Dan Hannan telling lies about the NHS on Fox News :
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I know Ernie - and usually I just ignore him as I feel it best.
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What I said is absolutely true.
I take it you mean true apart from the existence of an NHS pension fund, which wasn't true, because, well, there isn't one, agreed?
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And here we go again. Another STW thread descends in a mire of tedium as the usual suspects blather on at each other ad nauseum.
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Which could so easily be avoided if TJ would just accept, just the once, that he was wrong
Now then - back to the core of TJ's defence - the answer was succinctly laid out by someone else last week:
So what! The actual issue is whether the people currently contributing are contributing enough to cover future payments.
C'mon TJ, tackle that one!
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Another STW thread descends in a mire of tedium ......
What you on about Flashheart ?.......I thought what started off fairly low-key, is hotting up nicely.
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Zulu-Eleven, you've taken being wrong up to professional level.
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C'mon Ernie - play the ball...
How's about you forget the childish ad hominem attacks and argue the point like an adult - is TJ's argument factually supportable or not?
Its a simple question!
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Surely not another thread ending in TJ pwned???
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So what! The actual issue is whether the people currently contributing are contributing enough to cover future payments.
Is completely irrelevant. Firstly there is an employers contribution, secondly there is the fact of the billions that the government has had in cash from the scheme thirdly there is the contractual obligation fourthly there is the fact the scheme has been revised to make it sustainable for the future.
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C'mon Tim!!
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Oi! Don't encourge him -or me.................
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bikebouy - Member
Repeated thread, you know, the one that got closed down a few days ago..
I liked this thread when it was still about parents blacklegging a teachers' strike. And to a lesser extent whether the good parentfolk of STW will be more annoyed about their children missing a day of education or their parents missing a day of free 'childcare'*. (*wording of the chap the government wheeled out on radio 4, not necessarily my opinion).
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Zulu-Eleven - Member
C'mon Ernie - play the ball...
How's about you forget the childish ad hominem attacks and argue the point like an adult
Like I'm going to fall into the trap of trying to argue the point like an adult with you *rolls eyes*
And I have no issues with you being gay btw, so I don't know where you got that from.
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