so, 2 days ago you find out you've got a new job with a big pay rise, then today that rise has been cut by 5% so when you pick up your first pay checque in two weeks time it'll show a big rise minus a little cut.... bummer.
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ministers take 5% pay cut!
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Posted 2 years ago #
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5 year contract, option to take additional jobs, most expenses paid, £40k a year for partner.
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What will those nasty Tories think of next?
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They'd have to think a little harder if they think this is going to pull the wool over peoples eyes. (sun reader's excluded.)
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They'd have to think a little harder if they think this is going to pull the wool over peoples eyes. (sun reader's excluded.)
Imagine the outcry if they'd put their pay up by 5%. Oh, but I forgot - a Tory government (even one in coalition) can't do anything right, can it?
Andy
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It's a gesture - I mean 5% is hardly likely to bring the company back into financial health, but at least they have done something and something positive at that. As you say, much better than all the posturing that has happened in past governments (of all flavours) and the MPs collectively voting for a pay rise.
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It's their pocket money. They won't notice.
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It's a gesture - I mean 5% is hardly likely to bring the company back into financial health, but at least they have done something and something positive at that.
It's a lot more than I've ever experienced within a business that's hacking everything to the bone...
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Fair enough. Echoes what will happen to public employee salaries over the coming years I think. Can't ask thousands of others to take a pay cut unless you're prepared to take one yourself.
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ratherbeintobago - Member
They'd have to think a little harder if they think this is going to pull the wool over peoples eyes. (sun reader's excluded.)
Imagine the outcry if they'd put their pay up by 5%. Oh, but I forgot - a Tory government (even one in coalition) can't do anything right, can it?
Andy
I think that you've got a point there
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5% is just piss take considering that all the ministers will be earning far more money than they were last week. Anyone who falls for this is an idiot should have been at least 15%.
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I blame Thatcher 30yrs ago.
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Most of 'em don't need the money.
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I blame her now. And that Neville Chamberlain. Dodgy bloke. Never trusted him. Eyes too close together.
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I blame Churchill - if he'd let that nice Mr Hitler win the war then the whole of Europe would be run in an efficient and orderly manner!
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Better than nothing, and for context 5% is the number the company I work for wanted to apply to all employees globally. Employment laws in the US allowed this to happen without consent of the employee, us Euros on the other hand were asked to opt in.......can't think of a single name over here that did.
To those that are moaning, is -5% better than nothing or would you rather they just didn't bother.....? I'm not saying it shouldn't be higher but better this than Fanny Adams......
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This is ridiculous. MPs pay should be increased substantially and the rates should be decided by an independent body. The pay body should reference the pay rates of hospital consultants, lawyers, politicians in other countries and the like. Expenses should be cut radically.
The whole expenses scandal was brought about by MPs being too scared to vote themselves realistic pay increases over many years and then trying to get something back under the counter. Take the matter out of MPs hands and start off from a decent rate.
It's all very well for Cameron and Osbourne to take a pay cut. They are extremely wealthy in their own right. I do not want only people from a wealthy background to see politics as a good career.
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done it for the PR - which is very good publicity for them- but really do any of those people look like they are scared where the money for then next gas bill payment is coming from? Easy to cut 5% from your salary when you are a millinairre and dont need the money
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donald +1
We pay our politicians peanuts in comparison to the rest of the western world. Double, or even trebble their sallary, attract the really good people into politics, and have a set expenses setup. I.e. provide them with an office and flat in London, give them a secretary and researcher from the civil service, anything else is their own problem.
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It would be nice if some of the long-time Tory haters on here could give the new government MORE THAN A DAY before launching into the same repetitive whinging and bitching that we've had to put up with for the last 3 months.
I assume those complaining (a) voted in the first place and (b) are prepared to accept a voluntary 15% increase in tax, since they feel that the new government shouldn't be entitled to a pay rise consummate with their new jobs and responsibilities.
I'll see you back here in a year and we'll discuss whether things have improved.
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donald et al - this is a pay cut for cabinet minister salaries, not MP salaries. Not the same thing at all.
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Donald - the last thing we need are career politicians, one of the new Labour MPs is barely out of
nappiesUniversity. Let them get out and get a proper job first, experience the world outside Westminster, and then go into politics.
fwiw the LibDem cabinet ministers are also loaded after senior jobs in the City or industry.Posted 2 years ago # -
This is ridiculous. MPs pay should be increased substantially and the rates should be decided by an independent body. The pay body should reference the pay rates of hospital consultants, lawyers, politicians in other countries and the like. Expenses should be cut radically.
The Review Body on Senior Salaries is nominally independent & is responsible for setting MPs' salaries, in line with the civil service. When you take into account expenses (which senior doctors don't get) MPs' pay is pretty similar to hospital consultant's pay. As lawyers are (mainly) in the private sector, their pay varies wildly.
Andy
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eton, oxbridge, etc
as this parliament is the most toff laden in a while i suspect none of them have to worry how long it is till pay day each month 5% makes very little difference
not that im bitter but i make my own sarnies every day, i wonder if they do?
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So how much does the average Cabinet Minister earn?
Does this cut put them just below the super tax band?
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oxbridge
That's far from a guarantee, or even an indicator that you're loaded.The thing is with suggesting upping the salary to attract the best - I'm not sure I want MPs/ministers doing it just for the money either. It's not as if even a basic MP's salary is exactly putting them on the breadline.
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So how much does the average Cabinet Minister earn?
Ask and ye shall receive - link (though this hasn't been updated with the 5% cut yet)
Does this cut put them just below the super tax band?
Looks like they were well below it to begin with; PM isn't, but even with the cut he'll still be over the threshold.
Andy
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So how much does the average Cabinet Minister earn?
http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/latest-news/2010/05/a-new-politics-cutting-ministerial-pay-50065
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That's far from a guarantee, or even an indicator that you're loaded.
Indeed.
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So how much does the average Cabinet Minister earn?
Roughly 145K, so slightly less than 3 Birmingham bin men, or 20K more than 1 council electrician
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Those who come out against our leaders being toffs: In 2004 Churchill was voted Greatest Ever Briton.
Um he was born in Blenheim Palace. If you've ever seen it, it's quite a big house. In fact, it's a palace. His father was a Lord. He was landed gentry.
Did a damn good job in trying times by all accountsPosted 2 years ago # -
yeah but surely eaton is
and while i acknowledge that oxbridge doesnt = minted having worked at part of cambridge uni for a few years i can assure you that the bulk of students parents earn way above the national average
it does seem a shame that if you want to work as a politician to better the country youd best make sure you are from a certain demographic
ie white, well off and male
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churchill was also voted out of office after the war as he was bitterly opposed to the formation of a national health service for everyone
being pm during a war doesnt make you any more able to relate to the needs of the little person
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it's not just a 5% cut in salary, the number of cabinet seats has been reduced as well, so it's case of more responsibility AND a 5% cut for those in the cabinet. Which is a pretty sensible approach really.
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as this parliament is the most toff laden in a while i suspect none of them have to worry how long it is till pay day each month 5% makes very little difference
A great deal of politicians went to private school. It's just that some joined the Conservative Club and others joined the Marxist Society at uni...
They're all the same privileged bunch.
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