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  • Mandalay Bay – Las Vegas
  • wwaswas
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    blows the NRA’s argument out of the water doesn’t it

    Particularly as Nevada is an open carry state.

    mikey3
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    Lets all use another tragedy do score points and look intelligent,its the forum way.

    wwaswas
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    the President speaks;

    My warmest condolences and sympathies to the victims and families of the terrible Las Vegas shooting. God bless you!

    warmest condolences? what the hell are they?

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    jam-bo
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    ninfan must be banned, jambalaya has hold of the **** batton.

    andy8442
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    It’s an open forum to discuss the topic, not to discuss your beef with the forum itself or some of the comments on it (however stupid they maybe).

    rone
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    The final death toll has still not been released.

    I’d leave those sort of comparisons alone.

    mikewsmith
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    Nevada has some of the least stringent gun laws in the United States.
    People are allowed to carry weapons and do not have to register themselves as a gun-owner.
    Background checks are done when people buy guns, but they are also allowed to sell them privately.
    The state does not ban assault weapons, which are automatic or semi-automatic firearms, and there are no limits on buying ammunition there.

    I have sympathy for the victims there, for those innocent people involved but it’s hard to accept that this sort of thing is an inevitable part of virtually non existent controls on this type of weapon.

    tomhoward
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    Really helps having an exclamation mark after god bless you too. Shows he means it. Does he shout it at people he sees in real life too?

    mrlebowski
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    Substantially less killed in Vegas than in Nice with a rented truck

    Any chance you’d care to explain this comment Jamba? I’m a little confused by it..

    tomhoward
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    I think what Jamba is saying that you can get an equally deadly weapon (a truck) without stringent checks where guns are more restricted.

    Hes a **** for bringing it up though, but no doubt congratulating himself for being so insightful and cleverer than everyone else.

    derek_starship
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    A robustly enforced constitutional change is now the only option.

    All fully automatic weapons MUST be prohibited.
    Perhaps even semi-auto in the larger calibres (>.22″)

    Average yearly deaths by firearms: 13,000+. Bloody ridiculous.

    dannyh
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    Hes a **** for bringing it up though, but no doubt congratulating himself for being so insightful and cleverer than everyone else.

    And thus being wrong, again.

    vinnyeh
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    All fully automatic weapons MUST be prohibited.

    I didn’t think you could buy fully automatics in the US anymore?

    DezB
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    the President speaks;

    My warmest condolences and sympathies to the victims and families of the terrible Las Vegas shooting. God bless you!

    Sounds like the banal tweet I expected. Actually even more banal than I expected.

    vinnyeh
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    Sounds like the banal tweet I expected. Actually even more banal than I expected.

    Yes, I was anticipating (political) blame being laid at somebody’s feet.

    shermer75
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    I didn’t think you could buy fully automatics in the US anymore?

    Is that right? I was under the impression that it’s pretty much a free for all (I may have seen one too many Michael Moore movies erg)

    moonsaballoon
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    I’m not as clever him but it would seem to me it wouldn’t be reasonable to stop people hiring vans but it would seem reasonable to me to not sell machine guns to people with mental health issues , or anyone really .
    I just can’t understand the mindset . If they didn’t manage to change anything after sandyhook when it was children then I doubt this will change anything but you know that if it was a Muslim doing the shooting it would be used as a justification for travel bans and all kinds of other rash measures

    mikewsmith
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    Nevada is a free for all

    Machine Guns
    It is lawful to possess, purchase or sell a machine gun or silencer that is legally registered and possessed in compliance with all federal laws and regulations.

    Edit for link https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/nevada/

    Edit for clarity
    I think most people would agree that banning something that can fire what this guy did in that time is sensible – not getting into the semantics of hiding behind semi/fully etc.

    shermer75
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    Nope, looks like you’re right, only automatic weapons manufactured before 1986 allowed

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States

    jimdubleyou
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    I didn’t think you could buy fully automatics in the US anymore?

    IIRC, you can’t – but the definition of semi-automatic can be stretched…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-a-scaletta/ar15s-are-basically-assau_b_10469112.html

    Klunk
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    you can own any type of machine gun in the us if it was made before 1986 He could have been up their with a 50 cal machine gun if he wanted.

    johnw1984
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    I arrived in Vegas the day after one of the last shootings. When we landed mid-morning, the traffic was bad and the taxi driver said there had been a shooting.

    We eventually found out that it was gang related. There had been a dispute at the Aria, so the guy chased after him in traffic down the strip, opened fire on his car, killed him and the car drove into a taxi killing another two people.

    One of the guys who was telling us this said that it was the first time in his 20+ year stint that he’d seen a part of the strip closed.

    I’d have to echo though, it felt like a very safe place. To wake up to this is just mind-boggling.

    mikewsmith
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    Felt safe?

    Nevada’s gun death rates are among the worst in the nation
    In Nevada, a person is killed with a gun every 20 hours.
    Nevada is among the deadliest states for gun violence. From 2005 to 2014, Nevada had the 10th-highest rate of gun deaths of any state, with a rate of 14.7 gun deaths for every 100,000 people. This rate was 44 percent higher than the national average.
    Nevadans are particularly at risk for gun-related suicides. Nevada had the fifth-highest rate of gun suicides in the country from 2005 to 2014: 10.3 gun suicides per 100,000 people.
    Nevada is one of the 21 states where gun deaths exceed motor vehicle-related deaths.

    https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/guns-crime/reports/2016/01/28/129913/nevada-gun-violence/
    https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-by-gun-top-20-states-with-highest-rates/6/

    vinnyeh
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    my mistake- looks like it’s ok to sell them if they were registered prior to May 19, 1986.
    There’s only 182,629 of those, thankfully.

    There’s bunch of other rules regarding automatic guns that ‘are not for sporting purposes’ which can only be owned by dealers or law enforcement.

    johnw1984
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    Well, I should say I felt safe in the ignorance of the gun laws etc.

    I suppose in Vegas (especially in the middle of the strip), it’s not as obvious.

    When I went to the Clark County place to get a marriage license, it looked very rough up there. I’ve seen on other programs etc how run down it looks when you get away from the middle.

    cornholio98
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    This is another sad but inevitable event

    You can also make your own automatic or semi automatic weapon… A few of the guys I work with have done that. It turns out that at east in this state it is legal (well legal enough) as long as you don’t sell it…

    They are terrified of each other here so feel the need to protect themselves from the government, police and each other…

    They have the amount of violence and death that they want in my opinion. Today there will probably be a prayer meeting at work where people say this is the will of Jesus and that the only way to protect people will be to arm everyone and get rid of the socialists and gays who are causing this moral decline…

    Tom_W1987
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    Yup. Automatic weapons made before 1986 are legal – including this

    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgTTAukMOU[/video]

    Boggles the mind.

    The shooter sounded like he was firing a belt-fed M60 or something, the crack that the bullets make when they are close and the sound of them slapping the tarmac could be heard in that video – truly horrible.

    derek_starship
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    You can own a Glock with a 100 round magazine.

    There’s just no need. I mean WTF?

    legend
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    There’s just no need. I mean WTF?

    Home protection of course

    jwyeti
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    They are terrified of each other here so feel the need to protect themselves from the government, police and each other.

    How on earth can anyone think there could ever be a need for citizens to protect themselves from the government and police? It may have been appropriate in the 18th Century but there’s no way it could ever be relevant to the concept of democratic modern government.

    atlaz
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    Plus, unless you can get anti-tank and anti-air weapons, the Government still has you on the ropes if they’re that way inclined.

    Tom_W1987
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    Plus, unless you can get anti-tank and anti-air weapons, the Government still has you on the ropes if they’re that way inclined.

    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSp7CipN1pw[/video]

    😯

    P-Jay
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    blows the NRA’s argument out of the water doesn’t it

    After a long, dark history of mass shootings in the US I’ve concluded there is absolutely no point in arguing or debating with the Pro-Gun lobby, none, zero, zilch point.

    The reason is they won’t tell the truth, it’s a fight to them – others want to take away their ability to make money from pain, suffering and death that’s it and they’ll say anything to try to sell the idea that it’s not a sort of collective insanity that allows this sort of thing to keep happening.

    The truth is there are very few reason why a personal or organisation wouldn’t want more gun control:

    1) I make lots of money from guns, I want to keep doing so.
    2) I am mentally deficient and scared because I fear the unknown and the ‘bad guys’ my chosen media outlet tells me about. The feeling of power I get from my guns makes me happy, I don’t want to feel scared again.
    3) I like to make holes in things further than my reach, either targets or animals I may or may not eat afterwards. I’d never dream of using it on another human unless I really really had to, which is unlikely as I keep this dangerous weapon kept locked away as I know it’s more dangerous for me to have it to hand, than not.

    Sadly the 3s are very rare, and usually the most likely to accept that machine guns have no place off the battlefield and usually have no issue with control as long as they can keep their hunting rifle or target pistol.

    You can’t argue with liars unless you’re prepared to call them such – there’s no point reasoning their arguement is false – because they lll just think of another lie.

    binners
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    As well as the whole thing with firearms another valuable lesson that needs to be learned is the potential consequences of playing country music

    CaptainFlashheart
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    Sadly the 3s are very rare

    *waves*

    However, I also advocate tighter/better gun control, especially in the US.

    Leku
    Free Member

    Binners, too soon mate. Too soon.

    Tom_W1987
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    Nahhh it’s never too soon for country music jokes.

    slowoldman
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    I see on Twitter the gunman has gone from being a muslim to a left wing snowflake.

    Edukator
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    I like country music and there were some good artists playing that festival. Some, however are dire and some both dire and worrying. Like ’em or not they’re an insight into the American way of life like no other. Here’s one I wouln’t go see:

    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHLN5P6LMOs&index=6&list=RDmMatCFZ0IZA[/video]

    And just a link you don’t have to click so you know what sensible Americans are up against

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMatCFZ0IZA&list=RDmMatCFZ0IZA

    doris5000
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    After a long, dark history of mass shootings in the US I’ve concluded there is absolutely no point in arguing or debating with the Pro-Gun lobby, none, zero, zilch point.

    this.

    In 2012 someone walked into a primary school in Sandy Hook and murdered 20 innocent children. The response? On balance, they RELAXED GUNS LAWS FURTHER.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/post-newtown-states-loosen-gun-restrictions.html

    So what could persuade the USA to embrace gun control? What possible event could make the gun lobby say “ok, this is enough, we have to do something”, if the murder of 20 six- and seven-year-olds is just something to be shrugged off as part of the price of the 2nd amendment?

    They will never do it. If Sandy Hook wasn’t the tipping point, it will never happen. 🙁

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