London commuters, what's your general thoughts on cyclists being given tickets by the law... For offences such as Cycling on pavements, running red lights and things like that?
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London cycling commuters, are you breaking da law? ;-)
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Posted 1 year ago #
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It's wrong. I (not proudly) do it all the time. What i don't really get is why police keeps complaining about lack of staff - at least to justify to me the lack of action regarding my two bikes stollen and house burgled - but they have the resources to deploy a team of 5 guys stopping cyclists. To me, just an easy way of making money, perhaps with some prevention thought behind it.
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but they have the resources to deploy a team of 5 guys stopping cyclists.
That same Cycle Task Force is also spending time security marking bikes and giving out general bike security advice to cyclists.
sick and tired of rlj er's, get the law changed rather than break it.
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My pedals do not have reflectors.
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but they have the resources to deploy a team of 5 guys stopping cyclists.
Preventative policing. The theory being, that if they can dissuade folk from running lights, there is a lower chance of a fatality / serious injury, which would take a lot of resources to investigate.
I'm not saying I agree with it, but that is part of their argument.
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It's rare for me to do either in Edinburgh, never felt the need the few times I've ridden in London, what's the justification?
The only time I've seen cops giving tickets to cyclists here was for rlj'ing on the cyclepath at the bottom of the meadows, which I thought was pretty meaningless.
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why not, if its breaking the law? I sometimes go through red lights, but I'm also often cycling to work at 4am, so i take the chance, just like when i'm driving i might be doing 45mph along the 5 lane road which is 30mph limit. If i get pulled over, i know i'm in the wrong. I can justify it in my head, but i also know that i a breaking the rules, right or wrong.
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I can't see how people get so self-righteous at being caught for jumping lights, riding on pavements etc. You know it's not legal and all the posturing about "don't the police have better things to do" doesn't really get around it.
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If I sit with the traffic at a red light, there's every possibility that a bus/lorry could turn left across me. As death doesn't seem like a good option, I'm completely relaxed about breaking the law and going over the white line. If a fine comes my way, so be it.
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i generally don't jump the lights (almost never?). but often a car will pull right in front of me to stop me from doing so anyway. they then speed off with a roar, so i try and keep up. by the next lights, when they're not expecting me to be there, i saunter along in the cycle booster lane, all casual - jessica fletcher style, and give em a big smile!
why jump lights when you can have so much more fun annoying drivers in their own terms
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If I sit with the traffic at a red light, there's every possibility that a bus/lorry could turn left across me. As death doesn't seem like a good option, I'm completely relaxed about breaking the law and going over the white line. If a fine comes my way, so be it.
use the advance stop line or if there is not one, position yourself in front of the traffic.
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use the advance stop line or if there is not one, position yourself in front of the traffic.
But that's where the busses, lorries, cars and motorbikes are stopped.
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...so how does a police officer pull you over when you're on a bike to give you a ticket ?
Kev
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If you run red lights then you should expect to get fined or more seriously knocked down. What sort of example is it making to young kids when they see adults breezing through red lights like they're the only person on the road.
It breaks the system, accidents will happen.
Five tickets and then your bike gets crushed.
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diddums, get in line with the rest of the traffic till you can safely overtake.
undertake and die
rlj and pay finethere are many choices in life.
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If I sit with the traffic at a red light, there's every possibility that a bus/lorry could turn left across me. As death doesn't seem like a good option, I'm completely relaxed about breaking the law and going over the white line. If a fine comes my way, so be it.
Not sure I see your logic on this one. If you jump a red light there is always an outside chance that a vehicle trying to beat the red on the opposing set of lights will speed through the junction. In which case a fine will be the least of your worries...
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I stop at red lights. Loads don't.
Advance Stop Lines are very good, just a shame that the only way you can find them in London is by finding a stationary Bus, Taxi or Van as they will always be on top of it. Last week even saw an idiot riding the wrong way up a 4 lane one way street - 'kin idiot.
All the 'valid' reasons for RLJ are just excuses really. There's no need for it
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I cycle 15 mile each way in London on my commute. I go through 64 set if lights on my route, it's early in the morning and if it's safe to do so I run the light. If it might endanger me or anybody else I don't. I accept I a'm breaking the law and if I get done I get done, fair cop. But this morning one of my normal roads was closed to traffic going the way I wanted, there were no diversion signs . So I hopped on the empty 20 ft wide pavement and gently cycled along following another cyclist. We both got stopped and done, it's a fair cop just like if I run the light. .. But ffs in a city where they are trying to promote and encourage cycling they should be focused on the numpty car/taxis/buses killing/injuring cyclists every week. It's time common sense was applied by the police and a joined up approach taken. Grrrrr. ... I'll get off the soapbox now. Lol.
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ti_pin_man in "STW common sense outbreak" shocker
"... area man cycles through red light when there is no traffic and LIVES TO TELL THE TALE!"
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All the 'valid' reasons for RLJ are just excuses really. There's no need for it
There are times when it is safer for me to go thru the red light - then I do so.
If i wait for the green I get pinched into the kerb by car drivers due to bad road design. If I set off 20 seconds early when I can see my route is clear then I don't get put in danger.
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If i wait for the green I get pinched into the kerb by car drivers due to bad road design. If I set off 20 seconds early when I can see my route is clear then I don't get put in danger.
...or you could just let the car go first.
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Its not one car - its a steady stream of them. There is no way of being safe and obeying the law during times of busy traffic - and this is on a main cycling route with a cyclists signal.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=55.945307,-3.191228&spn=0.011583,0.027595&z=15&layer=c&cbll=55.945347,-3.190982&panoid=sgMeVpAVirDnW9oA3cElfg&cbp=12,324.93,,0,5its absurd.
Vehicles come from the left and the right - the cycle way goes up the middle. The lights are timeed so that the cycleway gets a green as the vehicles from the right do. If you leave on the green as you join the road you have a stream of cars from your right who all immediately cross to the left lane. There is almost always illegally parked cars there as well.
You can clearly see hundreds of yards down each road. If you go on the red when you can see everything is clear you get to teh next ASL ahead of the cars ( its always on red)
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To me, just an easy way of making money
Er so on the one hand you complain about police lack of resources, and on the other you are complaining about them making money from fining wrongdoers..?
Nice.
If I sit with the traffic at a red light, there's every possibility that a bus/lorry could turn left across me
That's why you take the middle of the lane. Plus, putting your wheels over the white line doesn't count imo. Sailing all the way through on red is the real problem.
If I set off 20 seconds early when I can see my route is clear then I don't get put in danger.
20 seconds? Never needed more than 2 seconds to be honest.
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I have no time for cyclists breaking the law by jumping red lights, riding through pedestrians on green crossings, cycling up one-way street, etc.
every cyclist that does this (and its a large % in London based on what I experience on my daily commutes) gives the law-abiding cyclists a bad name in the eyes of the public
its the law...don't complain when you get nicked by the Police
a simple reply for anyone under the illusion that the law does not apply to them when they ride their bike?
grow up...
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+1 for Esher's comments above.
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So I should obey all red lights even when it puts me in danger to do so?
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Red lights - I consider it a no-no. Just doesn't make sense. Also find that if you adopt that attitude then motorists don't give you such a hard time: either on the roads or in general conversation which I think is a good thing.
Pavements - only occasionally (though I know I shouldn't) and usually only briefly if there's no one walking on it and I'm trying to keep my flow on while navigating slow traffic interspersed with parked cars.
If I got busted I'd be annoyed but would have to hold my hands up.
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So I should obey all red lights even when it puts me in danger to do so?
Do you habitually jump red lights TJ or is it just in one or two special cases for specific reasons?
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Jumping red-lights puts you at the same level as ar$e-hole drivers.
You're an ambassador for your sport whether you like it or not.
Every time you run a red it's another excuse for the Daily Mail to run an 'evil, lawbreaking cyclist' rant.
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Vehicles come from the left and the right - the cycle way goes up the middle. The lights are timeed so that the cycleway gets a green as the vehicles from the right do. If you leave on the green as you join the road you have a stream of cars from your right who all immediately cross to the left lane. There is almost always illegally parked cars there as well.
Is that the top of the Meadows? If so, it seems your experience is very different to mine, is there not a cycle lane to ride into? I've never had any bother there, nor much hassle with parked cars, but when they are present they are as easy to get around as anywhere.
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In the City Of London the City Of London Police have a pledge to fulfil to residents of the City Of London. The biggest complaint by COL residents is cyclists riding on the pavements, therefore the COLP have to respond to the Policing Pledge
i think other forces will be pissing in the wind with regards to actually enforcing it though
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I do it at lights that I know the sequence, where I can see every car and where it is dangerous to go on red - like the set I linked to above..I don't do it for my convenience nor at sets that I don't know the sequence. I don't always do it at these sets - it depends on the traffic conditions but my safety is paramount
Another set where i do sometimes
There is a pinch point a hundred yards ahead and you can clearly see the cars to right and left - and the pedestrians get a go then the road I am on. I go after the peds have cleared. I will be turning right at teh next set of lights. Doing this I am clear of the pinch point and in a right turn lane before the cars catch up with me. If I wait till green I get cars attempting to pass at teh pinch point and then Ihave to manoeuvre into the right turn lane across a line of vehicles. Again the pinch point is made worse by illegally parked vehicles
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Escher I sort of agree but wouldn't go through a zebra crossing with people on and I wouldn't go up one way streets, that strikes me as endangering me or others.. But when you don't risk anything and as stated sometimes it's safer , then I would brake the law.
I also agree it sets a bad example and gives us a bad image with other road users... But very few if these other road users show respect to one another and are often frankly abusive to cyclists so I don't see me changing my ways will make one blind bit of difference. That's not who the human race is and it's nieeve to think it can change. On a bike in a London commute you so often can only whistle the self preservation society song!
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Cynic al - yes thats teh one. Do you not get the cars from your right cutting across you as they attempt to get to the left hand lane? The cycle lane is habitually blocked and is too narrow anyway. Even in the cycle lane you still get pinched. There is not enough room for two cars and a bike although it is marked for that. add in a parked car and its safer to be ahead of the cars not alongside them
I use this regularly at busy times
Another STWer had a near miss there and got sworn at by a car driver when he had gone on the green. To release the cars from the right and cycles at the same time is dangerous.
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I never ride on pavements.
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