Just been up there, the lower car park is a bit snowy but they have cleared the upper car park - they have moved ALOT of snow. The access road isn't too bad either, no sign of these mythical 15ft drifts either. Its thawing a bit in the forest too, so hopefully shouldn't be too long before things are back up and running.
Llandegla selling snow to make ends meet
If they're getting that many visitors they'll be coining it in of they're doing it wrong. I'm not going to feel sorry for people that are raking it in.
I do feel sorry for the guys employed there and for the people who want to ride but have they really lost £100k in 3 weeks? In winter I just find it hard to imagine 10000 visitors per week in December even in a mild winter. But maybe people spend more like £10pp/visit on average so that gives us 3300 people per week. Which I still feel is a lot. Surely the majority of visitors are fairly local so their spend per visit will be less surely?
Maybe they have just looked at a years income and pro rata'd the lot.
ISBI, Now I am definatly presuming you havent been to Llandegla, they have ploughed a hell of a lot of money back into the facilities recently - built an excellent pump track, a jumps course and a skills loop etc, re-laid miles of trail, built a few km of new trail, completely refurbished the visitors centre, shop and cafe. Im guessing this didnt come cheap and to end up completely closed for over a month right in holiday season is probably a bit of a financial blow right now
Okay maybe they might 'rake in a bit' I don't know but they also put a hell of a lot back
Regardless of weather you are ever likely to visit or not, there are people out there running these kind of places that are passionate about the sport (and going back to the original reason for this thread, obviously can maintain a sense of humour in difficult times) and put in alot of hard work for not alot (if any) money so maybe think before you start typing your cr@p?
when I go for example I typically could spend £10-£12 easy, that is only a days car parking, a bacon sarnie (or two - they are quite good!), a cup of coffee, a cake and 5 minutes at the bike wash (Part of the reason Im not a big trail centre fan - they can be damned expensive!)
Factor in that the entire cafe, bike rental business and bike shop is closed as well and its not hard to imagine those sort of losses - say they usually sell a couple of high end bikes a week plus all the rest of the takings, the spend per person quickly ramps up.
Like I said its not just bikers but lots of walkers etc, some people I imagine actually go just for the cafe
Plus presumably they still have to pay at least the majority of their staff.
I imagine they have also had to cancel a fair few skills courses that where scheduled and probably refund people for them
Anyone that actually wants to try and ride the trails still can - there is a bridleway through the middle so they can't actually physically close off the entire forest but good luck to them I say cause from what Ive seen it doesnt look like it would be that much fun anyway
I'm also guessing that they'll be insured against any losses of income too. Another thing - surely it would have cost less than a £100k to get the trails open too - so i'm still calling bullshit.
They measuring snowfall in english & welsh measures - i.e. over exaggerating to to the power of 10.
..but insurance companies have this little get out clause called 'an act of God'
say they had got the trails open, keeping them open when it is dumping several inches of snow everyday and not rising above freezing is another matter isnt it? What do you expect them to do, invest in snow ploughs, snow cannons and piste bashers? This is North Wales not Morzine!
I understand they did manage to get the access road & car park open for a whole day - from the pics on the website and blog that took best part of a week with a 20tonne excavator
Then it snowed again for the whole next week and they are back to square one (but now with a base layer of ice!)
Bull$hit or not, I call it clever marketing - bet there is now loads of people thinking 'ah Llandegla, never been there must check when its reopened and give it a go'!!
Its an act of weather. God doesnt exist, to suggest there include a clause suggesting that there is a god and you must accept that there is a god is racist.
Well, he certainly got the first part of his new 'name' right. He's certainly a very large male Gallus domesticus
Chips with everything in Scotland, especially shoulders.
You're right - Penmachno isn't having these problems. However, Penmachno isn't a private forest, with a visitor centre employing staff. Also Penmachno is very likely to close (or at least stop maintaining the trail) as there aren't enough people putting money in the honesty parking to keep the place going.
It costs a certain amount of money to maintain trails - an amount which may be more than gets put in penmachno's honesty box, but somehow I think it's a little bit less than £100k a week.
does this make sense:
God doesnt exist, to suggest there include a clause suggesting that there is a god and you must accept that there is a god is racist.
So does this mean... God doest exist to suggest that there isn't a clause suggesting that he exists, but he also exists for a whole host of other purposes.
And what does the clause for which God doesn't only exist state again? I'm not sure I follow the next bit.
Don't worry - it makes just as much sense as everything else from him.
Llandegla is a great trail centre with fantastic facilities. I for one will be back there as soon as I can. I may even wait for some of the bits I need and push a bit extra custom their way.
There is a large presence on this site who don't seem to like *anything*, total negative f***wits. Makes you wonder why they get up in a morning or maybe they thrive on their own misery.
You need to see the snow to believe it first hand. Have xc skied around the blue run today and counted over 30 trees down covering the trails. For those who haven't seen it first hand and don't believe what it's been like over the past 12 days, shame on you for not supporting fellow mtber's :evil:.
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