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  • Labour pandering to Mail again……
  • rudebwoy
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    so labour wish to ‘force’ all unemployed into six months of humiliation in order to appear tougher than tories on the poor and disadvantaged– never mind tax dodging, money laundering, bank busting- its all the fault of the poor– wtf !

    transapp
    Free Member

    Looks entirely reasonable (with the exception of where the funding comes from) get the work shy buggers in the field or picking cockles.

    Wait, I smell a troll, and some apathy to the same subjects…

    cranberry
    Free Member

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    allthepies
    Free Member

    These jobs people are going to be “encouraged” to take, I thought there weren’t any ?

    scaled
    Free Member

    Maybe Scargill is recruiting to get more folks down the mines and starting a new NUM to finance his flat?

    deviant
    Free Member

    There’s plenty of jobs if you’re not picky.

    Mrs Deviant walked out of her job on Wednesday morning, send her CV to several firms that morning and was being asked to come to interviews the same day, starts her new job Monday….it’s not what she wants but it’s work, she has further interviews in the area she does want to work next week.

    Contrast that with my uncle who was made redundant as an IT manager and has been unemployed now for years because he won’t entertain the idea of taking any other kind of work.

    Zulu-Eleven
    Free Member

    Can you imagine

    I mean just for one second imagine

    If the Tories has suggested this?

    ohnohesback
    Free Member

    It sounds like a rehash of the old Community Programme again. Though the idea of offering the long-term unemployed guaranteed jobs is a good one I do wonder what they would actually be doing in this outsourced, automated world. And then there is the issue of an income protection guarantee, there’s no point in working if you are going to be worse off.

    That old compulsion chestnut… When are all the main political parties going to stop treating unemployed people as if they are inherently workshy objects that need to be forced into displacement activites so unpleasant that magically they will be motivated to find non-existant jobs? The UK is a post-industrial wasteland, not Mao’s China, Stalin’s Stankhovite Russia, or Hitler’s Germany. Give them proper training and help, with a bouyant economy of proper jobs on a living wage rather than humiliating workfare and the JCP staff will be innundated with eager applicants.

    trailmonkey
    Full Member

    Can you imagine

    I mean just for one second imagine

    If the Tories has suggested this?

    i don’t think anyone would find it difficult to imagine that at all

    but then again they’re simply both cheeks of the same neo-liberal arsehole so i’m not suprised by either of them saying it

    lilchris
    Free Member

    Can you imagine

    I mean just for one second imagine

    If the Tories has suggested this?
    It’s almost as though, when pushed for an answer as to what they’d actually do, they actually spent a few seconds longer than usual to think of something on the spot.

    What happened to having a strong opposition?!?
    Atleast when they were in power they had us by the balls. Now they’re just weak.

    ohnohesback
    Free Member

    You’ll find that most bullies are weak.

    stumpyjon
    Full Member

    I think they’ve rather missed the point, how many employers would want to take these people, even if they are being paid to do so. For whatever reason these individuals are unemployable, I doubt the money on offer will cover the cost of supervising and training them.

    deadlydarcy
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    i don’t think anyone would find it difficult to imagine that at all

    but then again they’re simply both cheeks of the same neo-liberal arsehole so i’m not suprised by either of them saying it

    +1

    Loving the bold stuff lately Zulu. Really adds emphasis to your particular brand of shtick.

    highclimber
    Free Member

    Labour says it would offer the long-term jobless a guarantee of a six-month job if it was in government, but admits it cannot commit to the idea if returned to power.

    excellent – they offer something they can’t provide! that’s a way to win over the voters!

    Zulu-Eleven
    Free Member

    wah wah wah Darcy – the eternal Leftie cry of “Tories out”

    That they still managed to keep crying when they got their own party elected, because they weren’t Lefty enough – its laughable.

    And then the unions got their mate to lead the party, Red Ed ‘I can’t believe he’s not Tory’ Miliband

    Have you been and had a look over at COF? complete lefty meltdown on this 😆

    And the best bit of all this? the Tories are now free to introduce workfare, and the lefties and unions can’t even criticise it, as its their own policy 😈

    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    I can highly recommend a bit of time out from the forum Zulu. New 2013, same old trolling (of course, you are a self confessed troll as you’ll remember). Spend a bit more time with the family. Come back refreshed with something new to say. I dunno, say 12 months? For the good of STW. You never know, TJ might be back again.

    EDIT: COF? Never heard of it. Is that somewhere else you troll as well? Have you found someone there to continually wind up like you did to TJ?

    Lifer
    Free Member

    Zulu-Eleven – Member
    And the best bit of all this? the Tories are now free to introduce workfare, and the lefties and unions can’t even criticise it, as its their own policy

    Why is the freedom to introduce a system that hasn’t reduced unemployment anywhere it’s been tried ‘the best bit’?

    Zulu-Eleven
    Free Member

    Ah, thats it Darcy – every time I hit a nerve that undermines your pathetic lefty paper tiger posturing, you accuse me of Trolling.

    I don’t think you even know the meaning of the word to be honest!

    As for winding up TJ – the poor little lamb, ah! – I think you’ll find TJ’s problems and subsequent banning were entirely of his own creation, or are you convinced that he needs you to fight his battles for him? is that how little you really thought of him? Or do you just look down on everyone?

    PS – COF: Comment is Free – the Guardian version of the Daily Mail comments section! Primarily contributed to by people like yourself, you’d feel at home there – See, you learn something every day…

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    That old compulsion chestnut… When are all the main political parties going to stop treating unemployed people as if they are inherently workshy objects that need to be forced into displacement activites so unpleasant that magically they will be motivated to find non-existant jobs?

    I imagine when the workshy stop phoning LBC to say that despite being long term unemployed they turned down a job that required them to start at 8am (8-4 working hours)as that was unreasonable and to query why anyone would work for minimum wage

    On the Dole Because He Didn’t Want to Get Up For 8:00 a.m.

    And then there is the issue of an income protection guarantee, there’s no point in working if you are going to be worse off.

    the core of IDS’s policy on benefit’s then

    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    I hit a nerve

    😆 I’m positively zinging here, I can tell you.

    As for CIF, I’m not sure I’m even registered to post on there…I have a dim memory of having posted there years ago, but it’s all too anonymous for my liking. I imagine you’d love it there for the same reason.

    you accuse me of Trolling.

    It’s not an accusation Zulu. You’re a self-confessed[/i] troll. Don’t you remember admitting to it?

    To be honest mate, you seem to be getting very wound up yourself lately. You know, like TJ used to with your constant baiting. Take some time out, the forum would be a much nicer place without your type for a while.

    Or do you just look down on everyone

    I try not to look down on anyone at all Zulu despite your best efforts. I even have some sympathy for you sometimes.

    Lifer
    Free Member

    CIF. FFS.

    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    8)

    Lifer
    Free Member

    big_n_daft – Member
    I imagine when the workshy stop phoning LBC to say that despite being long term unemployed they turned down a job that required them to start at 8am (8-4 working hours)as that was unreasonable and to query why anyone would work for minimum wage

    How very silly. One bloke =/= people on benefits.

    rudebwoy
    Free Member

    well just signed on , quick one today– was better paid than Drogba for a minute 😉

    there are a total of 12 new jobs this week, of all kinds in the joke centre,one was ‘suitable’ –so rang the number– and low and behold– they are fishing for cv’s — no vacancy really–another agency just blagging !!- it is the same every time– there is a huge pool of unemployed/underemployed and those on below poverty ‘wages’– tis a miracle of economic magic– and of course new labour wants to be seen out torying the bluebloods– democracy — my arse !

    Zulu-Eleven
    Free Member

    Look, I know can’t get over the loss of your ideologue Darcy, but TJ’s gone, you just have to accept it…

    maybe you should read up on the Kubler-Ross stages of Grief and figure out where you are on the journey

    You never know, TJ might be back again.

    There there…

    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    you just have to accept it,

    I have mate, it’s just you left (or right) that needs to now.

    Have you found any strength and fortitude in the bible lately? I know it’s one of your fave books.

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    How very silly. One bloke =/= people on benefits.

    so you agree he is workshy?

    one person never fully represents a group but callers to radio shows are however heard by a wide audience which the politian wants to attract support from

    how would you get the LBC caller into employment?

    rudebwoy
    Free Member

    a hand picked caller on a radio show– how scientific– hate those stupid phone ins– lazy, reactionary , mush– another version of mail outrage !

    Zulu-Eleven
    Free Member

    Sure Darcy:

    Matthew 5:4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted”

    😉

    dribbling
    Free Member

    Kubler-Ross stages of Grief

    Wasn’t that about acceptance of change?

    rudebwoy
    Free Member

    Bible bashers– all we need now is some hare-krishnas’!

    Lifer
    Free Member

    big_n_daft – Member

    how would you get the LBC caller into employment?

    What a ridiculous question.

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    Lifer – Member

    What a ridiculous question

    it’s the underlying subject of the thread, the OP expresses a low opinion of one policy, all I asked is what your idea was to get the long term unemployed* with attitudes expressed by the LBC caller into employment. So…

    how would you get the LBC caller into employment?

    *obviously many/ the majority/ nearly all/ 99.9999% of the long term unemployed would have jumped at the job offer the LBC caller turned down

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    rudebwoy – Member
    a hand picked caller on a radio show– how scientific– hate those stupid phone ins– lazy, reactionary , mush– another version of mail outrage !

    have you listened to the call? the LBC presenter was quite sympathetic/ understanding of the problems he initially talked about. He then drops in that he didn’t take a job because of the 8am start when comfortable with the conversation

    CountZero
    Full Member

    imagine when the workshy stop phoning LBC to say that despite being long term unemployed they turned down a job that required them to start at 8am (8-4 working hours)as that was unreasonable and to query why anyone would work for minimum wage

    I start at 8am, have done for years, apart from a short period at 9.
    I also finish at 3.30pm, which suits me just fine.*
    Several blokes at work choose to start at 6am, and finish at 1.30, but that’s too early for me. I honestly fail to see what’s wrong with starting that time of the morning.
    *I don’t take a lunch break, otherwise it would be 4pm.

    Lifer
    Free Member

    big_n_daft – Member

    it’s the underlying subject of the thread, the OP expresses a low opinion of one policy, all I asked is what your idea was to get the long term unemployed* with attitudes expressed by the LBC caller into employment. So…

    No, it’s about a specific policy idea of how to get people into work.

    Workfare in other countries has failed to decrease the number of people on benefits, failed to improve the skills of those in the program and failed to get people in the program into full time employment while proving very expensive and complicated to administer. A better policy is therefore ‘no workfare’.

    rudebwoy
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    The policy is another smokescreen, the poor are being blamed for taking benefits when there is little/no work available– what work there is , is often at minimum wage, so depending on your circumstances, you could be ‘worse’ off than remaining on benefits– a farcical situation–but instead of questioning ‘substandard’ wages– we are supposed to beleive benefits are too generous !!!

    This is my main gripe, there are way too many people working too many hours on low wages– they are chasing a carrot– there is a whole strata of ‘well rewarded’ occupations– that are primarily non productive– yet are given big status to ensure middle class are kept on side– many on here moaning how bored they were before christmas…..

    I shall not be rushing to work for sub benefit rewards.!

    teamhurtmore
    Free Member

    Rudeboy, an interesting post and you are quite correct in your conclusion that we have a farcical situtation – a fact recognised on both sides of the political spectrum, although the Tories are trying to copy Darling’s 50p tax rate with the benefit trap for the Labour party….politicians, eh!!?!

    But I am afraid that your reasons do not stack up. On wages, the UK is not particularly competitive versus peers or globally although this is improving.. For low-skilled jobs this is likely to be even more apparent. So can’t really see your argument here. Plus we actually have a situation where employment is going up, without a rise in in output, which is sending an interesting message on UK productivity.

    Please can you elaborate on this strata of well rewarded, but non productive occupations. I am struggling with my list.

    The last line says it all…..hence most political parties recognise the need for change.

    teamhurtmore
    Free Member

    The trap being the 1% cap on benefits that will be debated next week in the Commons. This is just Labour’s attempt to get in front of the Tory trap which is too flagged to be effective anyway IMO

    rudebwoy
    Free Member

    go into any largish ‘organisation’ –there will be pr, hr, and other associated image management– on very comfy remuneration– i have worked in a number of housing associations–they are full of these people !

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