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Posted 10 months ago #
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Have you pointed out your salary is way off market rate?
Have you actually gone to your manager with a strong case as to why you deserve a pay rise?
Seems odd that new vacancies (which I assume you had the right to apply for) can be advertised at such a higher rate.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Well you should still call the firm that withdrew the offer and have a chat with.
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My advice is don't put your CV on line find a couple of agencies that specialise in what you do and work with them.
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Been involved in IT management for a huge company for a while and this is absolutely typical. It's all about what you can negotiate when you first come through the door, as after that your potential for increases is, in my experience, extremely low. These mahoosive (and mostly American) companies are masters at minimising cost increases by imposing processes to specifically prevent managers from being able to award pay rises over & above stipulated (and typically crappy) amounts, usually dictated by a salary grade/performance calculation. I managed quite a few people a while back and there was very little correlation between job responsibility and level of pay. Sadly I have found that there are only ever two choices...lump it or move to another company.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Well, might be time for a truth pill - try and get some honest feedback on why what you think you are worth is so much more than what they think you are worth ??
Of course, the purity of the job market will tell you that.
Good luck !
Posted 10 months ago # -
chin up mate
the good news is that you have the credentials to go out and get a job with a better package than you are on now.
Keep your head down and get on jobserve then move when you get the next offer.
Posted 10 months ago # -
last month a friend of mine joined the company at the 'career level' below me (effectively joining as what I was prior to my promotion). He is paid 33% more than me.
.....and you didn't tell them where to go at that point
Good luck with the job hunt. FWIW a cousin of mine was in an almost identical situation to yourself 4 years ago and after a pitiful wage rise offer he told them to stuff it, took two weeks holiday and never went back. He is now earning nearly 4x the salary he was on. Ok he has had a couple of 'right place, right time' strokes of luck but it shows what can be achieved.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Similar last year. I enjoyed the work and the company, but the money was not where it should have been. At my appraisal I made it clear I needed the rise and that I felt underappreciated despite jumping through all the required hoops and doing my job and more. This was agree'd with "but our hands are tied by HR"... which is BS.
So... I walked out of the appraisal and fired the CV out... I made the decision to go, not in a hurry but to find the right thing. Two months later I handed in my notice and was asked "why are you leaving"... big company so the exit process was rather amusing! I know not to burn bridges thought but still I enjoyed the discomfort in the room.
Contracting for twice the money now and half the BS... life is great.
I've since heard that the chap who took over from me is a contractor earning what I am now... and that there has a been a shuffle amongst the managers who lost a lot of staff over a short period... *chuckle*
Look around - find the right thing and dive in... do the same in 3-5 years time.
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wot pedalhead said. So true.
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The bunch that recently took us over seem proud of the fact that the average employee age is 25 [that must have been before we joined
]They just take graduates and pay them well, when they start looking for more money, they seem to realise it's a non-starter and move on - making way for the next graduate
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I've only ever had pay rises by leaving. I was walking out the door of one job when the boss offered me a decent rise. I took it. After a month the employer whom I had rejected called me and asked if there was anything they could do to get me to change my mind. I went with the new employer on even more money.
When I arrived at new employer I met someone else who had been employed the month before (IE when I should have started) , doing the same job as me, who accepted 40% less than I had been offered...
Posted 10 months ago # -
Well you should still call the firm that withdrew the offer and have a chat with.
Do this. Quickly.
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OOh page three, Ok good to hear that the news isn't as feared (by STW at least) ... but dear god yes, get on and get out, it's the only way ... [now if only I could listen to my own advice ...
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Posted 10 months ago # -
toys19 - Member
I've only ever had pay rises by leaving
So you're not very good at your job but you can talk a good interview?
Posted 10 months ago # -
So you're not very good at your job but you can talk a good interview?
Or he's a marxist, attacking the system from within....
Posted 10 months ago # -
another update:
Had a few more chats with my former project manager and with a couple of others I trust. They reckon that the job at Y is gone and I should forget about it (a couple of them had been advising senior management to let me go, but they seem to be interested in 'the principle', rather than my individual case), play nice and look for a new job.
With that in mind, I uploaded my CV to a job board for my particular sector. Have already had 2 calls from recruiters - one of which was recruiting for the job I was offered, the other has some interesting stuff which I *should* be 'allowed' to take.
What a ridiculous situation. Nice to feel in demand, but bloody frustrating that they won't stump up the cash.... I have heard so many people today tell me simultaneously that I am brilliant and that I'm not worth paying for.
Thanks for all the supportive messages (and the not so supportive, but funny ones).
Dave
Posted 10 months ago # -
You live to fight another day.
Just don't show your hand so quickly next time..!
Posted 10 months ago # -
Time for a stealth pay rise.
Less hours - Same money = higher hourly rate .
Leaves more time for mountain biking .
Hope it all works out Ok in the end.
Your managers do sound like 'tards however .Posted 10 months ago # -
clubber - Member
[quote]toys19 - Member
I've only ever had pay rises by leavingSo you're not very good at your job but you can talk a good interview?
Sounds like an accurate description of me..
I mean if you don't threaten to leave (as in make it look like you really are leaving) then most HR bods won't even thing of a pay rise, esp the 55% the OP wants, why should they, you are not leaving, they are not losing anything. That is my experience at least.
Posted 10 months ago # -
the first moment anyone should know you are leaving a job because you've secured one elsewhere is when you take a dump on the MD's desk.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Rusty - is that hygenic....?
he/she might take offense at that and provide a bad referencePosted 10 months ago # -
My advice would be to look quietly, find what you want and go.
Be polite, DONT dump on anyones desk, wave a happy goodbye and wish everyone the best.
Last thing you need is to go for your dream job in a few years and find the bloke you told to **** off on the interview panel.
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