Lots of “traditional” Labour and far left policies to come I guess, the interesting thing is that if enough labour bods are disaffected, anything remaining from the wreckage of the Lib Dems plus some moderate Tories there might just start to emerge a new centre party…something like the SDP perhaps?

hopefully he’ll actually do a decent job of being leader of the opposition party

Seems to confirm that you are resigned to being nothing more than an opposition party in the future.

Wouldn’t you have been better off electing somebody who would have done a decent job of being the next prime minister?

Hang on, didn’t Labour vote against assisted suicide last week?

Thats right, they’ve done this all on their own 😆

jambalaya – Member

I see the SNP are claiming a Corbyn victory is a basis for another Indpendence Referendum

Do you? All I can see that’s vaguely similiar is Sturgeon saying

“Indeed, if Labour cannot quickly demonstrate that they have a credible chance of winning the next UK general election, many more people in Scotland are likely to conclude that independence is the only alternative to continued Tory government,”

Guardian headline above the quote you have. Laboir have zero chance of “quickly demonstrating they can win a UK election” and she knows it. Hence the very obvious and swift Segway to justifying their call. Like Insaid everything justifies a referendum in their book

If a Corbyn can enable some clear water to appear between the two main parties in terms of policy then, irrespective of your personal political beliefs I can’t see how this cannot be seen as a great day.

Whilst I do have some empathy for the opinion that a political party must be electable to have a reason for being, I have always felt this was about its ability to operate in a professional way, not about turning itself inside out to have populist policies that are easily digestible by those unable to think beyond soundbites. MPs have been shown up to be more concerned with keeping themselves in a job and are happy to whore out their opinions to whatever is perceived as the most likely direction for that to be achieved with little regard for the political beliefs of the party they are meant to represent. The labour party might just have found a man that wants to promote policy that the broader membership believe in first and foremost. It is now the responsibility of the man and the remainder of membership to persuade the nation that their ideas are the best for the nation’s best interests. That’s how politics should work. A great day (I hope!).

jambalaya – Member

Like Insaid everything justifies a referendum in their book

No, what you said was “I imagined the SNP said something, and now it is real in my mind”

The MPs resigning from the Shadow Cabinet are presumably the ones that knew they didn’t stand a chance of being in the Shadow Cabinet in 48 hours time, presumably?

His first act as leader was to go to the pub. Second, to attend a pro-refugee rally. Class.

Though he did get there by taxi. He’s changed…

Though he did get there by taxi. He’s changed…

“…I’ve got the foremans job at last”

Woohoo! It is done! 😈

Now the country can march on and let others start / create new opposition parties that’s talk sense etc.

Labour should be wearing pure red now as the march of the communist begins … 😆

Thankfully and finally, an opposition party with polar opposite views than the current samey same, me I’m the same.

I now sit back and look forward to some extremely awkward questions in the house and “call me daves” face.

Utterly brilliant.

People who have spent 20 years telling us we need nuclear weapons are now going to be telling us we must get rid.

Big job to take on at 66 with the hope that the earliest retirement is 75. Has he really thought it through?

Anyway good news for the UK whatever your political bias.

So to move out of opposition all you need to do is convince the middle ground that it’s the best options 😉 I reckon 2nd in the next election could be the Lib Dems

Seems to confirm that you are resigned to being nothing more than an opposition party in the future

Well we have 5 year terms what exactly are you expecting for the immediate future for the Labour party?

bikebouy – Member

Thankfully and finally, an opposition party with polar opposite views than the current samey same, me I’m the same.

Also the “look at me, look at me, I am shy” type of politics …

I now sit back and look forward to some extremely awkward questions in the house and “call me daves” face.

Utterly brilliant.

The entertainment value has increased many folds now but let’s see how a “modern” communist interacts with reality.

😛

what exactly are you expecting for the immediate future for the Labour party?

A leadership election within 12 months when he realizes he can’t get the policies he wants past his parliamentary party.

outofbreath – Member

what exactly are you expecting for the immediate future for the Labour party?

A leadership election within 12 months when he realizes he can’t get the policies he wants past his parliamentary arty. [/quote]

I expect more internal culling (he should cull more) to move the party further towards a pure red environment … Ya, I like! 😛

I think it’s fantastic for England that Corbyn has been elected leader. I don’t see it making much difference in Scotland. Labour has lost Scotland, it’ll take a generation to get us back and Labour doesn’t have a generation, we’ll be independent in a decade.

bencooper – Member
… we’ll be independent in a decade.

Woohoo! Does that mean Scotland will have to re-populate her land?

Labour has lost Scotland, it’ll take a generation to get us back and Labour doesn’t have a generation,

One generation? You are too optimistic … I say at least 4 generations.

Woohoo! Does that mean Scotland will have to re-populate her land?

Worst chat-up line ever.

I’m watching Jez talk at the refugee demo.

No different to any other opposition politician. Lots of emotive and vague words and not a hint of how many refugees he would house in the UK if he were PM.

Is it any wonder the media spend so much time on personality?

I presume Ben is optimistic about the price of oil.

bencooper – Member

Woohoo! Does that mean Scotland will have to re-populate her land?

Worst chat-up line ever. [/quote]

I know, I know … 😆

I wish Scotland well and I don’t mind going over to repopulate her land …

internal culling (he should cull more) to move the party further towards a pure red environment … Ya, I like!

I think that historical precedent means you have to refer to it as a ‘purge’ rather than ‘cull’

not a hint of how many refugees he would house in the UK if he were PM.

He’s been in the job 3 hours!
Do you honestly think any PM/Leader of the opposition or indeed cabinet/shadow minister doesn’t have an office full of minions doing these calcualtions for them? IIRC Corbyn had a slightly smaller office and one or two fewer people to help him work this out than Cameron has had these last weeks. 😉

He’s been in the job 3 hours!
Do you honestly think any PM/Leader of the opposition or indeed cabinet/shadow minister doesn’t have an office full of minions doing these calcualtions for them? IIRC Corbyn had a slightly smaller office and one or two fewer people to help him work this out than Cameron has had these last weeks.

He must have worked it out because he knows 20,000 is wildly wrong.

ninfan – Member

internal culling (he should cull more) to move the party further towards a pure red environment … Ya, I like!

I think that historical precedent means you have to refer to it as a ‘purge’ rather than ‘cull’ [/quote]

Oppps! Arrgggghhh … arrghhh … new thing(word) to learn … 😮

I thought “purge” tends to be associated with “diarrhea” while “culling” means getting rid of and associated with animals … arrrghhh …

Ok, purge it is. 😛

bencooper – Member

I think it’s fantastic for England that Corbyn has been elected leader. I don’t see it making much difference in Scotland. Labour has lost Scotland, it’ll take a generation to get us back and Labour doesn’t have a generation, we’ll be independent in a decade.

I thought a generation for you was less than 5 years ben? If you mean labour has lost Scotland for a proper generation you are talking more pish.

He must have worked it out because he knows 20,000 is wildly
wrong.

Isn’t it quite a lot easier to say something is way off the mark than to be sure what the right answer is?

to pluck a simpler example out of the air, I know for sure that 25p a litre is a wildly wrong price to charge for my new tubeless gunk business. Doesn’t mean I know exactly what price I am going to charge yet. And then what if I name a ‘ballpark’ price before I have finshed my costings properly and its too high? (puts people off) or too low? (puts peoples backs up because I now want this much more for it to make it worth me selling.)

Assuming he can’t come up with a number, not even a broad range, then it would be best not to open his mouth. If he really doesn’t know he might well find there are factors he hasn’t considered and 20k is too many.

Either way, he needs to talk about policy, not emotive vague crap.

Chapeau Sir.

outofbreath – Member

Assuming he can’t come up with a number, not even a broad range, then it would be best not to open his mouth. If he really doesn’t know he might well find there are factors he hasn’t considered and 20k is too many.

Either way, he needs to talk about policy, not emotive vague crap.

To show his humanity he should up the ante by saying 200k for the next 2 years then another 200k until the next election etc.

400k is a tiny drop in the ocean of desperate human misery worldwide.

We’re taking 300k every 6 months from Europe so I imagine whatever number Corbyn is thinking would be way north of 2 million.

Oppps! Arrgggghhh … arrghhh … new thing(word) to learn …

I thought “purge” tends to be associated with “diarrhea” while “culling” means getting rid of and associated with animals … arrrghhh …

Ok, purge it is.

Definitely more fitting

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/russia-1900-to-1939/the-purges-in-the-ussr/

@chewkw You do realise that Socialist?Communist? Don’t fall into the same trap as the folk across the Atlantic.

Some 8 years ago I went to a small local meeting one evening to hear John Mcdonnell MP speak. Gordon Brown was about to be coronated Labour Leader without any sort of democratic process, or debate, just as Labour’s right-wing elite had always intended.

John Mcdonnell had been desperately trying to secure sufficient nominations to stand against Gordon Brown. He had always known of course that he stood little chance of securing sufficient nominations and no chance at all of winning the Leadership election.

But he spoke of the need to create the conditions for a political debate in which the voice of the Left could be heard, and he also spoke extensively about “winning back” the Party.

Now I like John Mcdonnell, I have enormous respect for him, unlike JC who I consider to be a left-wing social democrat imo John Mcdonnell is a genuine socialist, politically as left-wing as myself, and I was impressed by his critique of Labour.

But after he had finished speaking he sat down near me and as I looked at him I thought, “you poor deluded fool, you stand no chance at all of securing sufficient nominations – the system is designed to stop people like you, even if you do there will be no political debate – the media and your opponents will make sure of that, you will just be humiliatingly defeated, and above all you stand no chance whatsoever of ever winning back the Labour Party.

Today the Labour Party has been won back. Never imo have I ever been so comprehensively wrong on a political point.

Although in my defence what has happened was a fluke caused by Labour’s right-wing elite momentarily dropping their guard in a few crucial minutes.

In their arrogance and smug confidence of their unassailable grip on the Party, also helped substantially by their complete disconnection with ordinary party members, Labour’s right-wing parliamentary elite thought allowing a token left-winger to participate in the leadership election would add legitimacy to the process and humiliate the Left thereby consolidating their power.

IMO today doesn’t mark the day that Jeremy Corbyn became leader of the Labour Party but the day that the anti-democratic right-wing elite lost control of the Labour Party, a day which I genuinely thought could never and would never come.

I am gobsmacked.

Spending £10bn on grants:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jul/15/jeremy-corbyn-announces-10bn-plan-to-scrap-university-tuition-fees

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jul/15/jeremy-corbyn-announces-10bn-plan-to-scrap-university-tuition-fees

Wednesday 15 July 2015 19.42 BST

Have you only discovered JC’s priorities this afternoon outofbreath ? It’s received huge media coverage in the last couple of months.

BTW this “hard-left” politician thought it was a vote winner :

And he was probably right…..his party did very well electorally when they backed the policy, not so well when they abandoned it.

According to the BBC 35 MPs nominated him. 14 of them voted for him.

Looks like they’ll get the debate they were hoping for. 😀

According to the BBC 35 MPs nominated him. 14 of them voted for him

I’m guessing that you have completely missed one of the main reasons why Jeremy Corbyn has done so extraordinarily well in this leadership election.

Probably at no time since the introduction of universal suffrage have politicians been held in such low esteem by the British public as they are today.

It is precisely because he appeared so different and so much at odds with the Westminster political elite that he appealed to so many. The more they lined up to denounce him the greater Corbyn’s credibility. Tony Blair helped enormously in that respect.

BTW this “hard-left” politician thought it was a vote winner :

Yep, and then in Government he couldn’t find any cash to pay for it. When popularism meets reality there’s only one winner. The electorate are well aware of that.