Whereas Comrade Corbyn would rebuild the economy in a Venezuelan stylee.

Well at least you acknowledge it needs rebuilding.

simply not true

Which bit? the winning three elections in a row, or coming SECOND in the last election?

The last time being thirteen years ago. You seem to have forgotten that the centrists have lost twice since then.

Curious. I wouldn’t call Ed milliband a centrist, and the leader of the labour party at the last election was Corbyn.

The tories called the election because they believed it would destroy Corbyn and the Labour party. Instead, they are now neck-and-neck, with the Tories forced to bribe religious fundamentalists so they can cling on to power.

This is Corbyns high water mark. How is he going to convince a section of tory voters which he will need to win an election? Even if Labour regained all the SNP seats, it still would not be enough.

Whereas Comrade Corbyn would rebuild the economy in a Venezuelan stylee.

Isn’t it past your bedtime? Don’t you have school tomorrow?

Just imagine if the right wing of the party had actually been democrats and got behind corbyn from the beginning? Its their fault labour lost the election ( although I doubt May would have called it)

I have been a lifelong labour supporter but stopped voting labour as they turned in tory lite and lost all direction.

In scotland at the GE we had the unedifying spectacle of Labor and the tories working together – result – 13 tories in Scotland

Now I have hope that labour may once again be the party I have supported for 40 years – but still need them to sort out their scottish branch

The labour membership has increased greatly, there is optimism in the grass roots and a willing army of footsoldiers to do the work.

Corbyns political position is mainstream democratic socialism. Nothing exceptional in his views accross most of Europe

Milliband is on the right of the Labour party and stood on a platformof nothig. thats why he lost

You know why the tory press keep running the scare stories about Corbyn? Because they know he is popular and they are terrified of him. He has something no other english politician has – integrity.

Just imagine if the right wing of the party had actually been democrats and got behind corbyn from the beginning? Its their fault labour lost the election

Not the dear leaders fault then.

Now I have hope that labour may once again be the party I have supported for 40 years

You mean the party even back then that still didn’t win elections?

Corbyns political position is mainstream democratic socialism. Nothing exceptional in his views accross most of Europe

Irrelevant in the UK as it currently stands.

You know why the tory press keep running the scare stories about Corbyn? Because they know he is popular and they are terrified of him. He has something no other english politician has – integrity.

Well stone the crows, right wing media owned by millionaires and billionaires, don’t like the socialist shocker.

But you still have to win the votes of tory voters, and as it currently stands the uk is not mainstream democratic socialist.

You seem to have forgotten that the centrists have lost twice since then.

The centerists narrowly lost to the Tory 1st Team. Corbyn narrowly lost to the Tory Reserve team after Cam and Osbourne were carried off the pitch. Either Brown or Milliband would have thrashed May, or rather she wouldn’t have dared call an election against them.

You know why the tory press keep running the scare stories about Corbyn? Because they know he is popular and they are terrified of him.

The Guardian and Mirror and PLP are all terrified of him because he’s already killed the party. I’d have thought any right wingers would be thanking their lucky stars for Corbyn because any other Labour Candidate would have thrashed May. Corbyn/McDonnell are the only reason there isn’t a Labour PM right now. (Although that’s probably not true because May wouldn’t have dared call an election against any other candidate.)

He has something no other english politician has – integrity.

The fervent brexiteer who pretended to be a remainer for a few months because it suited him politically?

Just imagine if the right wing of the party had actually been democrats and got behind corbyn from the beginning?

Indeed, a leader capable of performing the basic function of a leader and getting the party behind him would have cleaned up.

He has something no other english politician has – integrity.

The fervent brexiteer who pretended to be a remainer for a few months because it suited him politically?

+1000.

The promise on student loans and clearing existing loans brought a lot of votes from parents and parents urging their kids to get out and vote.

He was happy to let people think the clearing of existing loans was going to happen whilst it suited him and didn’t correct it until after the vote was oven.

Same silence, or misleading statements, over Brexit leading to many people on this forum believing (unbelievably) that his stance was anti-Brexit, even in the face of mounting evidence. It was like the denial over Lance Armstrong from some members here.

It seems to me that a lot of people, including old school labour supporters, are wary of his duplicity, based on what I hear from LBC callers.

To me the worse bit is McDonnell.

I had a labour campaigner on the doorstep the other day – I just said there was no way whilst McDonnell was there – he just turned round and walked away, didn’t even want to discuss it and maybe challange my views. Must have had the same views…

He has something no other english politician has – integrity

Integrity 😯
He’s a terrorist supporting anti-Semite. He’s the most odious labour politician since Mosley. Complete with his own blackshirts.

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I had a labour campaigner on the doorstep the other day – I just said there was no way whilst McDonnell was there – he just turned round and walked away, didn’t even want to discuss it and maybe challange my views.

What did you expect? You said no way, he’s respected your views and moved on to someone else who doesn’t say no way. If you wanted a discussion “no way” wasn’t the smartest thing to say.

What are the odds that, if he’d stayed to talk and challenge you, you’d be posting about this aggressive corbynist who wouldn’t leave you alone on your own doorstep and didn’t take “no way” for an answer I wonder.

Yeah, someone didn’t give me some attention earlier either, so I came here to see if I could get some.

He’s a terrorist supporting anti-Semite.

That’s not even close to being true, seriously, have a word with yourself.

This country needs an effective opposition,

An effective government would be most people’s first choice surely? 😉

have a word with yourself.

Always just assumed 5thElefant did that mostly anyway.

Election Stats

A linky with % of seats and % of votes in all elections since 1945 for the posters above who need it.

An effective government would be most people’s first choice surely?

And a government that would at least attempt to bring back some equality. Only Corbyn is offering that.

If only he wasn’t such a communist, terrorist loving racist eh…

Corbyn is supporting the tory agenda, he needs to go.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5aH-YCtI3E[/video]

Hmmm double post.

Corbyn, aside from his undeniably dodgy past proposes installing a Marxist chancellor to ‘run’ the economy. Anyone aware of this fact who votes Labour is the very definition of loony left.

The one thing I respect JC for is wooing Dianne Abbott with mathematics. What a man.

Corbyn is supporting the tory agenda, he needs to go.

how? by forcing U-turns on lots of their policies?

equality

I’ll take meritocracy over equality. We’ve seen what happens once you take away everyone reason to try.

Anti Semitic, Marxist, terrorist lover, Venezuela, blah, blah, blah. You Tory boys are are really bricking it aren’t you 😀

Corbyn is supporting the tory agenda, he needs to go.

Agree, but it’s too late. The leadership rule changes have made this situation permanant.

I’ll take meritocracy over equality. We’ve seen what happens once you take away everyone reason to try.

You really think that’s what this is about, despite being told many times it’s not?

We want equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. I’d have thought that bloody obvious, but Tories seem to argue the absurd all the time. Wonder if they don’t have a proper argument?

proposes installing a Marxist chancellor to ‘run’ the economy

Who’s not going to run it in a Marxist fashion. By god you lot will say any old shite to get a poorly thought out knee jerk reaction.

No wonder this country is so **** if this is what passes for politics. **** me.

kilo – Member

Anti Semitic, Marxist, terrorist lover, Venezuela, blah, blah, blah. You Tory boys are are really bricking it aren’t you

thats how I read it. a mainstream democratic socialist getting all that abuse shows a lot abot those shouting the abuse

You Tory boys

Some random quotes from the ‘Tories’:

the worst prime minister and tory party this country has seen for a very long time.

Either Brown or Milliband would have thrashed May

I’ve yet to convinced opponents of Momentum are fanatical Tories… Anne Black a Tory? Alan Johnson a Tory? Labour have moved so far over the spectrum that people who were considered hard left are now considered evil Red Tories!

JC invited two convicted IRA terrorists to Parliament immediately after Brighton, McDonnell is a self confessed Marxist and JC lauds Venezuelan economics. Abbott believes a Carillion is one million times one million.

Which of these are untrue?

Shouting abuse works both ways.

How is old Jezza. Apart from a v successful purge on the quiet he seems rather subdued these days.

We want equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

That’s not a USP, all the parties want that. Especially the centerist parties, the more people who are doing well, the more people subscribe to the neo-liberal consensus.

On reflection, Labour/Momentum are the only party that lose if more people start doing well.

Thanks for that enfht, blah, terrorist, blah, terrier, blah, terrapin repeat ad nauseam

Thanks for that enfht, blah, terrorist, blah, terrier, blah, terrapin repeat ad nauseam

A valid point well made, keep on shining that light through the fog.

I pitched it at your level glad you liked it.

Apart from a v successful purge on the quiet he seems rather subdued these days.

Being PM was never his objective, that was taking the Labour party back. Like Farage he’s a single issue Politician who has achieved his goal.

So he’s already won. The changes are permanant. He can sit back, choose a successor from Momentum who will inevitably become Leader by a landslide.

Personally, I think the Labour party will fizzle out and either there will be a Lib Dem ressurgance, or a new centerist party will emerge.

I pitched it at your level glad you liked it

Feelings over facts, Rodney. Feelings over facts.

It’s good to see the anti Corbyn bores frothing at the mouth again. You do realise a load of old nonsense doesn’t become true just because you keep spouting it every few months, don’t you?

Lol.

Oh and enfht, bravo on out ninfaning ninfan. That’s a gift.

Yep they are worried. It’s telling as they keep repeating the same things. Jamba bless him doesn’t understand that holding the Israeli government account is not the same as being anti semitic. The others probably forgot that two prominent members of the Ira sat I downing Street as said you can’t make peace with your friends. Meanwhile a minority government makes a brexit plan ran by its minority wing.

That’s not a USP, all the parties want that

They want it, the difference is how much they want it, how hard they are prepared to try, and how much money they are prepared to take from the filthy rich to implement it.

Oh and enfht, bravo on out ninfaning ninfan. That’s a gift.

He’s a simpleton, at least ninny tries to add substance to the argument even if it is pure comedy for those he argues against.

They want it, the difference is how much they want it, how hard they are prepared to try, and how much money they are prepared to take from the filthy rich to implement it.

Shome mistake surely, Ed