Renationalisation of railways and energy companies
Replace tuition fees with student grants
Increase the top rate of income tax
Withdraw from Syria
Stop cuts to public services

Is this list correct re Corbyn’s policies? What do we have in Syria?

Either way I love the response on this thread to outofbreath, who rudely questions the validity of Corbyn’s policies! Perhaps you have all moved beyond the question of policies and it is now platitudes instead.

I’d like to see Ernie turn his socratic irony onto the policy “Stop cuts to public services” which appears to have vaulted any number of preliminary questions to arrive at a satisfyingly neat slogan.

Even after looking up what socratic means I still didn’t understand your post bainbrge.
On the plus side I’m quite relaxed about it……I’m sure it’s not important 🙂

BTW if you want policies beyond “Stop cuts to public services” bainbrge how about Corbynomics?

According to the Daily Telegraph Citigroup’s chief economist is calling on Corbynomics to save the world from recession :

Citigroup braces for world recession, calls for Corbynomics QE in China

Ernie, genuine smile at your response. I think Socratic irony works best when your interlocutor believes your ignorance is genuine. I am unable to suspend my disbelief at you not knowing what Socratic irony is!

re Corbynomics, not extreme. Great FT article on it recently. However, application in an economy with vast reserves (China) different to that in a more constrained economy (UK). I think Corbynomics links many of the policies listed above, i.e that borrowing by government is better because supposedly cheaper. Hence supports nationalisation argument as well as stopping public services cuts. To an extent this is true and is one of my objections to PFI, however it ignores reality, i.e the ‘puke point’ of those we ask to lend to us.

I suppose the above is summarised by the ‘someone else’s money’ argument often levelled at socialism.

rather than resigning from a party whose policies he so frequently opposes, he merely rebels

Why resign? It’s a one-shot statement that everyone else just nods and and carries on regardless. You can’t change it if you’re not in it. As we may be about to find out. Or to put it another way, you’ll never win if you give up.

already showing willingness to compromise in NATO – why? Pragmatism, he knows that there (his words) wasn’t “an appetite as a whole for people to leave.”

You can’t force the majority to follow your lead if they don’t want to. How can anyone criticise him for this?

No wonder politics is such a load of bollocks if all the electorate want is George W Bush style crusaders.

I’ve not read this in a while but things must be getting serious. Thm has cracked open the bainbrge login and is getting confused as to which pseudonym should be referencing the FT every 2 minutes! 😆

😀 no really 😀

actually the whole inner democracy sham is a great diversionary tactic, no wonder some love it so much!

just to be clear: are you now suggesting that Corbyn has spent the last thirty years pretending to be a principled rebel on the periphery of the party but in fact was a party loyalist engaging in sham inner democracy for the purpose of diverting the attention of…someone or other?

No

then I have NFI what you’re on about

anyone else?

konabunny – Member
then I have NFI what you’re on about

anyone else?

I suspect bainbrge will! 😆

anyone else?

You made THM look a fool by pointing out how ridiculous his comment was so he felt compelled to deny that was what he meant.

Since it was what he meant he couldn’t give an alternative explanation.

HTH

THM doesn’t like having to explain what he actually means, for some reason he thinks it sounds more convincing when it’s a vague mysterious waffle (maybe he’s right).

😀

[KonaB – an extraordinary coincidence.]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/09/labour-closes-ballot-helpline-leadership-election-deadline

Is it just me, or is the Labour party indulging in a whopping case of strategic incompetence so that the result can easily be challenged and overturned at some point in the not too distant future? Something tells me that had Burnham or Copper been leading in the polls everything would be running like clockwork. On a related note Mrs Daz didn’t get her vote until yesterday, she contacted all the leadership and deputy candidates directly via email about it, and guess who were the only ones to reply?

Is it just me, or is the Labour party indulging in a whopping case of strategic incompetence so that the result can easily be challenged and overturned at some point in the not too distant future?

I think you’re crediting the labour party with a level of scheming they’re presently actually incapable of. I don’t doubt for a second that the incompetence is for real. They couldn’t run a bath.

Thats not to say that it won’t be used to mount a legal challange. One that will be bound to convince the whole electorate that the labor party really are the future, and the country would be safe in their hands.

Meanwhile, while they all bicker between themselves, the Tory party will probably privatise air, and coral every unemployed person in the country into a massive workhouse, run by G4S, to package parcels for Amazon

Good of Ed Milliband to sod off and not show any leadershio through the election process.

Have to say I really do worry for Corbyn’s health if he wins; the attacks from all sides are going to be relentless. He might wish he never stood and be happy to leave after a year or two.

Good of Ed Milliband to sod off and not show any leadershio through the election process.

Well he never demonstrated any before he resigned, so why start now?

Anyway…. as the polls close, heres probably the highlight of the campaign from channel 4 news last night

Rumbled!

😆

He did well not to say anything in the face of that questioning – well trained!

The poll has closed 🙂

I don’t really understand why that’s a big deal surely all the parties send people to watch what the others a saying? If they don’t then they should.

Heck Premier League football clubs often send managers or coaching staff to watch other matches.

I don’t really understand why that’s a big deal surely all the parties send people to watch what the others a saying?

+1

More likely he was there to try and disrupt the event in some manner. Seemed to leave rather quickly for someone who was just there to observe.

Maybe he was a genuine Corbyn supporter and didn’t want his tory mates to see that he was there! 🙂

Probably there on behalf of his Llamas to report back on Jezza’s thoughts.

MSP – Member

Seemed to leave rather quickly for someone who was just there to observe.

Aye, if it’s all perfectly innocent and normal why did he run like a flushed fox? He certainly didn’t like being spotted.

And so the Panto draws to a close with new actors entering stage left…

…will the sequel be as entertaining?

will the sequel be as entertaining?

What difference does it make to you……..surely someone with immense intellectual status as yourself is above such frivolous nonsense?

🙂

Careful THM, the posse will be circling before you know it.

Indeed!

Relegated a long way down the news headlines tonight

I enjoyed reading this the other day.

http://thequietus.com/articles/18714-jeremy-corbyn-labour-election-rally-policies

some of you may enjoy reading it. Some wont. I think it’s not a bad piece of writing either way.

@ the pies he would be disappointed if his posts got no reaction.
Why else has he reopened the thread but for the reaction?
Either that or he has suddenly developed a massive interest in the comedy of politics and the labour party in particular.
Which seems most likely to you?

@ Stoner managed about half of it and overly negative but it rings true.

Will be interesting as I think the Tories will also implode over Europe and we will have two messed up parties

FWIW more or less is doing coverage on whether he can win by getting the non voters out tomorrow. its the only chance of success and it is a long shot IMHO

Interesting Stoner however I got bored about halfway through the piece, but then to be fair I do have a short attention span.

He lost me when he said that Corbyn stands no chance of winning a general election as Labour Leader.

I tend to agree but the problem is that I was absolutely convinced that Corbyn stood no chance of ever becoming Leader of the Labour Party, so what do I know? Obviously as little as the author of your piece.

TBH I remain unconvinced that Corbyn will win the ballot. If he is declared the winner I’ll be quite frankly gobsmacked.

So polls closed and Jeremy wins say most. Perfect result.

Corbyns stance on NATO demonstrates how he really stands for very little, as soon as he has an opportunity to potentially do something about one of his “policies” it dissolves into the atmosphere after “consultation”

The real fun and games will begin now. I sense many opponents in other parties have been biting their tongues not wishing to jeopardise his chances of winning. Intervention in Syria looks like it’s shaping up to be a trap for Corbyn. The Scottish election could be his final hurrah assuming he makes it that far.

Interesting you suddenly have a lot of faith in polls eh Jam All lthose pages arguing about how rubbish and flawed they were and how you dont trust them in the GE fade from memory eh.
Anything to say on your conversion now they say what you want to hear or is just that you dont have any principles ?

Old Yvette must be wondering when the bad dream ends? Before sleeping you and hubby are about to enjoy the trapping of power then BANG the results, hubby’s off and now swept aside by the outsider. Quite traumatic

no doubt your concern will be a comfort to her

Anyway enough of engaging with the RW trolls for me

Thanks Stoner, enjoyed that article.