becoming
boring
binners

none of them would be likley to get a proper job outside parliament

Untrue. I had ex-ministers as colleagues and as clients all doing proper jobs and from both sides of the House. However, I did interview a few retiring MPs at the last election who were woeful but thought that their contact book was 10x more valuable than it was. 😉

Course you did Walter, course you did

So his approval ratings amongst voters (excluding weird cult members) continue to plummet,

Have you considered leaving the cult seeing as you disagree with them?

Thats what they’re banking on everyone doing, isn’t it?

Then the lunatics will truly have taken over the asylum. I’ll stick around and vote for anyone but Corbyn thanks mate. It might be a futile gesture, but I’m sort of fond of them 😀

Then I get to say ‘I told you so’ as a some mild recompense as whats left of the Labour party/beardy cult goes down to the biggest electoral defeat in its history and loses 150 seats to become a lib dem style fringe party

I don’t believe we should comment on other people’s political constitutions- now where did have hear that last oh yeah Boris V Obama

Maybe Trump is better equipped to be a president than Clinton could it be his rhetoric is a tool to “close” the deal or he could just be mad? We would all do well to remember how Ronald Reagan was vilified upon election and he turned out to be an OK president so who knows? Certainly not me.

However, I did interview a few retiring MPs at the last election who were woeful but thought that their contact book was 10x more valuable than it was.

They wanted to be economics teachers? I is confused. What do you do?

What he appears to do is make things on the internet then forget what they were and then end up looking “inconsistent” oh and bearing grudges and patronising folk with a bit of trolling thrown in.

He did indeed claim he was an economics teacher and all his students got A *. I am sure there is an easy explanation not involving lies being told.

They wanted to be economics teachers?

No, what use is an understanding of economics in politics, especially post-truth politics?

I is am confused. What do you do?

Correct grammar among several other things. One of the beauties of modern life is that it is possible to do different things at the same time – including delivering top marks in Econ and Geog. Fun if unsettling/taxing at times.

Not really confusing, so don’t worry, although it appears that such an idea is beyond the comprehension of the sub bridge dwellers – but that’s not odd either.

post truth indeed THM post truth indeed

I is confused is a perfectly acceptable STW ism like I am disappoint as you well know.

“Clodhopper just ask him..”

😆

I was being completely sarcastic; as if I’d waste my time, or Jezza’s, even considering what a few keyboard warriors think! Tbh I forget what most of you say once I’m off here, as is so utterly inconsequential. If you want to ask a politician questions, get off your arse and go and do so.

We had a great time; I got some cracking photos, and gained more experience of photojournalism. One overwhelming fact that struck me, was the sheer diversity of the crowd; all colours, ages, backgrounds and genders etc. Fantastic. You’d never get that at a tory rally, ever. Kind of puts paid to the nonsense Binners etc spout about Corbyn only appealing to the middle classes. But then, Binners etc clearly spend all their lives on here, and don’t ever get out and see the real world, so they simply won’t know what’s actually going on.

Talked to friends about the Blairite cuckoos that we need to get rid of. These are people who genuinely are life long Labour members and political campaigners. Not just people who are Labour voters simply because it’s what they’ve always done, and it’s what their parents did etc. No, these are people who are actively engaged in the political process, and have a tad more insight into things than those who sit reading mainstream bullshit without ever questioning it.

And it’s clear that Corbyn has been the catalyst for many, many young people joining Labour and getting involved in proper grassroots politics. Whether you see him as a ‘leader’ or not, there’s no denying his effect. It’s clear to see why the right are so frightened of the threat to their comfortable status quo, and seek to attack the left at any opportunity. Whole generations are growing up, who will never vote tory. It is clear that the political landscape of the UK is changing, and the establishment are absolutely terrified.

Its true he is inspiring a certain type of young activist- some folk want real and genuine change rather than a slightly nicer ****- and it will be interesting to see what happens with a grassroots and active left wing movement- can it really win hearts and minds?Can it convince all the voting does not amatter/we cannot change anything typoes to vote?
WHat worrying is even labour voters seem to be swallowing the lies about him and his supporters

Correct grammar among several other things.

Whooosh

C’mon AA, don’t you miss the joke too!!!

Sounds like you had a good time clod.

“As for our anti-racism campaigning definitely no anti-semitism in the party JC the leader .. we have 92% of Jewish Labour Movement supporters voting for Smith. 92%”

Ah, Jamba. Let’s have a look at the Jewish Labour Movement, shall we?

The Jewish Labour Movement, founded in 2004, is the successor organisation to Poale Zion (founded in 1905), and the British section of the pro-apartheid Israeli Labour Party (ILP or ‘Havoda’ in Hebrew).

Unsurprising then, that they are opposed to Corbyn. And they do not represent Jews, any more than the BoD do. They represent right-wing Zionism and the state of Israel. The Jewish people I spoke to last night, do not recognise the JLM as a valid group of representation.

As for Michael Foster labelling Corbyn supporters as ‘Sturm Abteilung’ (Nazi stormtroopers); this is one of the worst cases of scraping the barrel yet. Having failed to oust Corbyn from the leadership ballot, this vile man is now desperately trying to defame anyone who supports Corbyn, but to use such language is not only deeply offensive, it’s also utterly disrespectful of the victims of the Holocaust. The sooner scum like him are expelled from Labour (and I don’t doubt he knows his days are numbered), the better. What a ****.

troll plays the edinburgh
AWESOME

It is confusing because you make it up and forget about consistency – thanks for letting me know you still read them though 😉
and you claim I troll 😆
Brilliant

clod
would be interesting
photoj project
to
document diversity
at meeting
just
an idea

Clod, that’s an idea. Go to rallies of several parties, develop the photo journalism skills and test the hypothesis re diversity. The results would be interesting.

Well, someone a few days ago, appeared not to know the difference between Momentum members, and the far-right. So it would serve as an educational resources for some folk.

I was actually mindful of trying to avoid clichéd pictures of ‘diversity’, you know, white people enjoying engaging with ‘ethnics’, that sort of thing, but I couldn’t actually avoid it! It genuinely was so mixed. Benetton would have killed to get such a range of people into it’s advertising.

I might try to get along to a couple of Owen Smith rallies. Mind you; I could easily miss them, I’ve seen larger family groups out shopping, than what’s been at some of his gatherings! 😆

Well, someone a few days ago, appeared not to know the difference between Momentum members, and the far-right. So it would serve as an educational resources for some folk.

Yeah, I’d be interested if they look any different.

even labour voters seem to be swallowing the lies about him and his supporters

I’m fed up with the aggressive psychological tactics that are being employed in this class war..

The establishment and the snivelling defeated sycophants that balefully prop up the establishment’s sinister dystopian empires are so petrified of change, so terrified of losing their pathetically outdated and corrupt notions of pride and esteem…
So afraid of taking some moral responsibility that they have seemingly no insight, no self-awareness, no clue about the transparency and futility of the harrowingly violent intellectual strategies they are employing to try to stem the tide..

silly canutes

Benetton? Another blast from the past, how apt!!!

Blimey – they’re working really hard to dig stuff up.
If all they can come up with is this then it’s pretty complementary of Corbyn imo.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/15/jeremy-corbyn-called-for-complete-rehabilitation-of-leon-trotsky/

Imagine if they dug as deep for stuff on the Tories!

struggling to see relevance
of obscure parts
of
russian history
to
anything

benetton
blast from the past
trotsky
important current issue
???

I think the issue with JC is he doesn’t even have any experience of a senior or even a junior job in government / shadow cabinet. The goof up he made with his tax return is just embarrasing – do you have any pension income – yes/no. Not rocket science. He earns more than enough miney to pay an accountant £500 to do his tax return (he has a pension worth £1.6m FFS). Its an example of his stubborness and “leftie credentials” that he didn’t do so.

@clod you do understand that Zionism is simply the belief that the Jewish people have the legitimate right to a homeland, to self governance ? So pretty much the whole world supports Zionism including the UN and the Palastinian Authrotiy. Clearly Hamas do not as they wish to drive the Jews into the sea and eradicate the State of Israel. There is rather a lot of very deliberate misuse of the term to deligitimise it, Jewsand the entire State of Isreal. You just did it yourself with the Jewish Labour Movement. Its also convenient shorthand for anti-semitic abuse. I have been frequently called a Zionist here as a term of abuse, I am unashamedly Zionist as I believe in the right of the State of Israel to exist. I am in favour of a two-state solution. It is possible to be both.

I think the issue with JC is he doesn’t even have any experience of a senior or even a junior job in government / shadow cabine

Whereas his supporters see this as a good thing. Its not like ministers do anything other than give instructions to cival servants anyway.

Thats all well and good. Perhaps his supporters might also like to hop on a bus with someone who’s never actually driven behind the wheel. After all… all driving is is turning a wheel and stamping on some pedals. How hard can it be?

You do realise that Yes Minister wasn’t actually a documentary, right?

You do realise that Yes Minister wasn’t actually a documentary, right?

😆

“@clod you do understand that Zionism is simply the belief that the Jewish people have the legitimate right to a homeland, to self governance ? So pretty much the whole world supports Zionism including the UN and the Palastinian Authrotiy. Clearly Hamas do not as they wish to drive the Jews into the sea and eradicate the State of Israel. There is rather a lot of very deliberate misuse of the term to deligitimise it, Jewsand the entire State of Isreal. You just did it yourself with the Jewish Labour Movement. Its also convenient shorthand for anti-semitic abuse.”

Did you actually notice that I wrote ‘right-wing Zionism’? Or did you conveniently ignore that bit deliberately? You will of course be aware that Zionism takes many forms, from the original, left-wing (Socialist, even!) liberal Zionism, to the more modern extreme right wing form which is basically another form of fascism. So don’t go accusing me of ‘misusing’ the term. I’m more than aware of the term being used as a form of abuse (as is ‘Socialist’ these days, even evidenced on this very thread!). But don’t start crying that anti-Semitism wolf; it’s not working any more. Those who support and attempt to legitimise the actions of the Israeli state towards the Palestinian people cannot, and must not continue to cry ‘anti-Semitism’ any time anyone criticises Israeli state actions and government policies.

” Clearly Hamas do not as they wish to drive the Jews into the sea and eradicate the State of Israel. There is rather a lot of very deliberate misuse of the term to deligitimise it, Jewsand the entire State of Isreal.”

You do understand that not all members of Hamas think like this, don’t you? Without wishing to justify the actions that group has been responsible for (and there are many utterly morally reprehensible aspects of Hamas), it is a fact that Hamas gained support and popularity as a direct consequence of the actions of the Israeli government and military. The vast majority of Palestinian people want peace, as do most Israeli people. But there are equally vile characters on both sides, the main difference being, some of those on the Israeli side hold an awful lot of power. There are far more anti-Arab fascists in Israel, than there are anti-Semites in Palestine. The appointment of Avigdor Lieberman as defence minister, even attracted concern from a former Israeli prime minister.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-politics-idUSKCN0YE1I6

Then there’s the appointment of a religious extremist who advocates the rape of women, becoming chief rabbi in the Israeli army:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-politics-idUSKCN0YE1I6

You are ominously silent on such things, Jamba. And openly hateful towards Corbyn, hence your continued attempts to slur him and Labour as ‘anti-Semitic’. I have asked you more than once, about your views on the rise in far-right extremism and genuine anti-Semitism in Europe, yet you choose to ignore me and remain silent. This, I believe, is an indication that you aren’t really so concerned about anti-Semitism, because if you genuinely were, you’d admit the attempted slurs on Corbyn are unfounded and nothing more than slander designed to undermine him.

Fantastic interview with Jess Phillips on Radio 4 just finished

I have to say, that for a ultra right-wing Red Tory she doesn’t come across as very right wing…

@clod you do understand that Zionism is simply the belief that the Jewish people have the legitimate right to a homeland, to self governance ?

and semite means the children of seth so it includes way more than the jews
Its either that or words meaning can change over time

Zionism refer to the Israel right or wrong , that you epitomise, who shout racist at anyone who dares to criticise the MO of the apartheid state and then tell us all how Muslims are such a threat to our very way of life

As clod notes you are literally incapable of criticising anything israel does from bombing schools, collective punishments, “putting people on a diet- ie starving the entire territory,illegal land grabs and settlements, or carrying out political assassinations home and abroad.

I have to say, that for a ultra right-wing Red Tory she doesn’t come across as very right wing

Who could have foreseen that everyone looks left wing to you 😛

84% of local labour parties back Corbyn. Bloody entryists.

Nice to see a man of principle.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/16/jeremy-corbyn-floor-three-hour-train-journey-london-newcastle

Thats all well and good. Perhaps his supporters might also like to hop on a bus with someone who’s never actually driven behind the wheel. After all… all driving is is turning a wheel and stamping on some pedals. How hard can it be?

Its hardly the same is it. So by your logic only an ex pm could be pm? The fact is regardless of the team in charge at the time they all just make decisions based on doctrine rather than in response to facts or whats going on around them. If Boris can be foreign sec Corbyn can be pm.

If Boris can be foreign sec

complete the sentence
any way
you like

The fact is regardless of the team in charge at the time they all just make decisions based on doctrine rather than in response to facts or whats going on around them.

You should change decisions based on the data, but the problem is the public and the media then accuse them of changing their mind and want ‘conviction’ politicians.

Only recent MP I’ve heard say he’ll change his opinion based on the data is Vince Cable and guess what he spent most of his career in industry.

Corbyn clearly hasn’t changed his opinion on anything in 40 years, despite the evidence that he is wrong on many accounts.

Binners – what experience did Blair have? Cameron? Gideon? Clegg?

Corbyn clearly hasn’t changed his opinion on anything in 40 years, despite the evidence that he is wrong on many accounts.

Yes i hate those politicians with principles i wish they could be so much more fluid on their views and principles, like Boris who “seeing the evidence” changes his view on a month by month basis 😕

He may have principles different from yours but if you dont admire the very few who have them and keep them, whatever their hue, then that is a reflection of you not them.

When the data shows you that your ‘principles’ will not result in the change you are trying to achieve then it’s time to change.