He’s the leader and he isn’t controlling his subordinates. Of course it’s his fault.

Hah.. and how would you do that, exactly, o leader?

I do find it curious that, “corbyn being unable to lead” is the main medja theme, rather than “the PLP are dirty backstabbing bastards, and have been since day 1”.

Well I don’t really, but i’m sure ye get my drift! 😆

Hah.. and how would you do that, exactly, o leader?

I’m the wrong man for the job. But if I found myself in that position I’d resign.

The fact is the PLP had a problem. They need to be electable. They need to be able to follow their leader. They need to respect the views of the wider party, but they also need to represent the people who elected them. This last bit seems to get forgotten when the issue of ‘democracy’ in the party gets raised.

But if I found myself in that position I’d resign

Even if most people had chosen you?

He does have a point. As do they.

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If your staff won’t work for you how you got the job is irrelevant.

But… If you assume he’s trying to dismantle the party, get rid of 170 mps and replace them with his own people to reinvent it as a far left party, then fine. He may get his revolution.

It’ll dissappear at the next election though.

Corbym is used to being alone and against his own Party. The current situation is no different to him. I thought he’d be gone after the Scottish elections (my prediction upon his election as Leader) but he shrugged off delivering third place to the Toies and on he goes. I really didn’t see him contributing to a Leave result but I’m delighted at the outcome there.

It’ll disappear at the next election though

I don’t see that happening… The electorate voted for change in the EU referendum and learned a lot about deceit in the process..

I can see them voting for change at the next GE too.. people are sick to death of oxbridge lawyers

This coup has absolutely nothing at all with Corbyn alleged lack of “leadership qualities”, he actually has quite a knack at winning people over – that’s how he managed to receive 60% of the vote in the leadership contest. That’s what frightens them.

His opponents are suggesting that Angela Eagle, ffs, would make a better leader. Her own constituency party has passed a vote in support of Corbyn and she came 4th in her bid to become deputy leader. She clearly has no clout, not even with her own party members. Her performances in TV studios, unlike Corbyn’s, are dire. To top it all she dithers. But she is almost certainly easy to manipulate.

Don’t forget that Tony Blair’s choice for leader was Liz Kendel, clearly someone else with no leadership qualities, but is probably also very easy to manipulate.

I repeat, this has nothing to do with Corbyn’s alleged lack of “leadership qualities”.

Nor has it anything to do with policies. When right-wingers broke away from the Labour Party to form the SDP in the 80s it was all about policies, nothing else. Primarily 3 specific policies, ie, leaving the EEC, scraping nuclear weapons, and nationalising the banks.

This time there is no argument over policies, not once in recent weeks have the plotters mentioned policies.

This coup is not about leadership qualities nor is it about policies. It is about power. Corbyn believes that politics is about representation, not the personal power of politicians.

This goes completely against the grain of today’s career politicians and the whole political elite class. They abhor such a thought. And knowing just how discredited politicians have become in the eyes of the public in recent years it terrifies them.

Crushing Corbyn has become a priority so that they regain normality and maintain the safe predictable status quo with their powers to rule us, rather than to represent us, intact.

They need to respect the views of the wider party, but they also need to represent the people who elected them.

I’d go further their “priority” is to represent the views of those who elected them. Corbyn might have the blessing of the Labour party, but with out the support of the PLP and the millions of labour “voters” who elected them what has he got ? Nothing IMHO, just control because of a rule anomaly. He’s not interested in labour voters or the PLP, just his own narrow views, which seem to be shared by a few hundred thousand labour party members.

Here’s …………Owen!!!

PMQs should be a hoot today – Dave will be de-mob happy and on the other side will be a “leader” who’s followers have issued death threats against, and in one case thrown bricks* through the window of one of his employees office windows.

I expect the party to be right behind Corbyn, the only sound the gentle tap of keys on keyboards as 170 CVs get updated, but perhaps they will cheer the new messiah as he deserves.

*Democratic bricks comrade – after all we are not like those nasty tories or the vicious Blairite running dog scum so called MPs.

What now for the stalking horse?

teamhurtmore – Member

Here’s …………Owen!!!

Yes he thinks he might have made up his mind.

He’s going to stand as the candidate with the best “dithering qualities”, apparently Angela Eagle is just too decisive.

taxi25 – Member

…I’d go further their “priority” is to represent the views of those who elected them. …

It would be wonderful if any party thought this way, eg the Tories…

With these leadership qualities combined with ability to go to the brewery and not get pissed, these guys should propose the idea of bringing the ownership of large parts of the economy into their hands. What’s not to like?

Timetable out – this whole car crash leadership battle will continue till 24th September, when the results of the Ballot are released.

Still, at least this gives Theresa a convenient date to activate Article 50 and dominate the news cycle 🙂

I can see the party splitting – the MPs going one way and Momentum left covered in its own glory.

No rush Labour Party! FFS

I expect Corbyn to impress in the hustings, Eagle to be unimpressive, Owen Smith I dont know he’s on the radio now.

cranberry – Member
I can see the party splitting – the MPs going one way and Momentum left covered in its own glory.

Mostly what do I need to ask google images to get a pic of 2 clowns fighting?

ctk – Member
No rush Labour Party! FFS

Not at all, nominations by the end of the week, do some media then result in a month?

“69% of those asked didn’t know who you were” – at least he has a clean slate. could be a good thing.

cranberry – Member
I can see the party splitting – the MPs going one way and Momentum left covered in its own glory.

I’m not sure the departure of 150 Red Tories constitutes a split, more like a pustulant scab being ripped off. Without the party behind them they are blowing in the wind.

If they leave also have the problem of the next election. If they don’t split, who is going to preselect them. I suspect their numbers would be greatly diminished.

If they do split, where are they going to find a support structure? They will need massive financial support to stand again and finding dedicated activists will be a problem. The Tories and LibDems already fill the spectrum they appeal to.

Not sure all this piss-taking of the Corbyn voters is justified. All they are doing is using the democratic process to express what they believe in.

The alternative is to just sit down and take that with which they disagree.

I’m not sure the departure of 150 Red Tories constitutes a split. Regard it as a pustulant scab being ripped off.

So any ideas why the labour party are having problems?

ernie_lynch – Member

Still, ill-informed gibberish aside, binners rants do have an entertainment value. And if with the help of a rigged ballot paper Angela Eagle does indeed win the the leadership “election”, then I’m sure that filled with incandescent rage he will use all his literature skills, which he honed at his posh middle-class school (a former cabinet member went to it dontcha know), to rant endlessly about Angela Eagle.

Blimey! Or should I say ‘cripes’? 😯

There was me thinking I went to bog-standard comprehensive in Warrington, when in reality I’ve been to Eton. Who knew? Just one question for you Comrade…. the lads in mine and Andy Burnhams class who’s dads had just been made redundant (by Fatcha) from Parkside Colliery just up the road…. are they ‘posh boys’ too? Or do they get a an exemption? Maybe a certificate of authenticity due to their fathers former position as Symbolic of ‘The Struggle’? 😆

Ernie… if you get a chance Comrade, could you embellish the rest of my CV in the same fashion. I have to admit that as i dish out the quinoa salad at my simply super dinner parties I often feel a pang of inadequacy that I went to a university that was one of those frightful former Polytechnics. If you could upgrade me to Oxbridge that would be marvellous. I’ll let you choose the House. 😉

I would never be so crass as to question your revolutionary credentials to try and undermine you comrade. Especially after finding this video of yourself and your colleagues discussing your childhoods…..

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo[/video]

Getting back on topic though Comrade … what a glorious victory! For Theresa. I imagine she’ll be planning for the next 3 terms in office. We really are going back to 1979

lol can somebody go and check on binners, I think somebody might have left some special brew near the cornflakes…..

Anyway if JC gets back to the back benches how long before he votes against the new leader?

If they do split, where are they going to find a support structure? They will need massive financial support to stand again and finding dedicated activists will be a problem.

very true, after having brick through your window, why would you want that job?

Binners, you splitter! stay with the message as Dennis Skinner did. Celebrate the “dignity of work” down t’pit and ignore the appalling, perilous and unhealthy work.

House? College dear boy, college 😉

I’ll let you choose the House.

Ah, Christ Church, well I never.

Another rather unpleasant aspect of this whole charade (which again is reminiscent of the 80’s style Militant left) has been the air of barely suppressed violence, and thinly veiled threats that are surfacing against anyone who dares to question the Glorious Leader.

John MacDonald (who is a thug IMHO) was saying this morning that he didn’t condone this at all. But while he was saying that he might as well have done a pantomime villain style wink at the camera.

All part of the grand scheme to make the Corbyn Labour party even more appealing to the wider electorate I suppose?

The MPs could stage a mass walkout, leaving the Labour brand ( tarnished as it now is ) behind. In doing so they would also leave Momentum with all of the debt.

They would, of course have to set up a new structure, but would be likely to get the funding recently denied to the old party because it has been taken over by the Uber Nutters. So you would end up with the MPs being the incumbent candidate in each of their seats, able to fight a campaign because they would be funded, set against the momentum bunch who would be drowning in debt and not even able to buy the bricks to throw through people’s windows.

If I were a current labour MP I would take those chances.

Another rather unpleasant aspect of this whole charade (which again is reminiscent of the 80’s style Militant left) has been the air of barely suppressed violence, and thinly veiled threats that are surfacing against anyone who dares to question the Glorious Leader.

A speciality of the LW 😉 suppress dissent, don’t question – just look at political threads on here!!

the air of barely suppressed violence, and thinly veiled threats that are surfacing against anyone who dares to question the Glorious Leader

YOu have been inundated then have you?

Its the way the tabloids latch on to a few nutters and then use them as if they typify an entire people/movement

You think jezza does not get abusive e-mails and death threats?

For some reason he does not seem to bang on about it and blame those campaigning against him for the actions of some nutters.

It would be wonderful if any party thought this way, eg the Tories…

Indeed. But it’s all about “winning”. And if the losers are the ordinary people, well, tough cookies.

Binners latest MNPR design

. Corbyn’s covered it up with his three different reports kicking it further down the road in the hope of burying it.

There goes Jamba again – accusing people of racism. I’m surprised he hasn’t reported himself to the mods by now !

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Can’t be arsed.

“The Labour Party is a political party based on Socialist principles”

Its not, and it hasn’t been for decades.

You think jezza does not get abusive e-mails and death threats?

The emails from Milne and McDonnell don’t count

The emails from Milne and McDonnell don’t count

😀

Well McDonnell got this bit right:

They have been plotting and conniving. The only good thing about it, as plotters they’re **** useless.