He is different to other major party leaders and previous recent Labour leaders in that he doesn’t subscribe to the neoliberal consensus of austerity, corporate power, aggressive wars, tax cuts/avoidance for the very wealthy, development of weapons of mass destruction, privatisations, etc.

So for those reasons he attracts a lot of attention. Which when coupled with outright hostility from the Tories, the Blairites, and the Tory press, gives him quite a hard time.

Well said ernie.

He is different to other major party leaders and previous recent Labour leaders in that he doesn’t subscribe to the neoliberal consensus of austerity, corporate power, aggressive wars, tax cuts/avoidance for the very wealthy, development of weapons of mass destruction, privatisations, etc.

I thought he was different because other than the slogans he has no policies

You do realise you have spend about two days and lots of post just making the same point over and over again

Perhaps you ought to develop another “policy” for disliking him 😉

I’m remembering why I usually try to avoid STW politics threads.

Has there been any proper feedback from the people who voted him in? From what I can see all this chat on here is just regurgitating the media spiel….for sure, if that’s what you base your opinion on go ahead but it’s hardly an unbiased opinion (especially since the media decided how much coverage to broadcast of his pre-referendum voice in the first place). I hope JC stays or leaves based on democracy, not whether the Establishment just say so…

Apparently a number of CLPs in London voted no confidence in him yesterday and polls have shown a significant decline in membership support (but he would still just win)

Apparently theres been a huge surge in membership, so the 3 quid communists are preparing for battle. Their victiory? To consign labour to the dustbin of history, ushering in permanent Tory rule.

I’ve just thought… Ernie and the 3 Quid Communists would make a great band name. Their first EP – Permanent Tory Rule

@mefty + hasn’t membership increased by 60,000 recently and no one knows whether it’s in support of him or hoping to vote him out…

@binners….communists eh….

hasn’t membership increased by 60,000 recently and no one knows whether it’s in support of him or hoping to vote him out…

As I understand it, yes, also I am not sure whether that poll covered the £3ers who were most on his side.

PLP just waiting for his polls to decline a bit more then push someone forward. PLP caused this shitstorm no blame can be laid at Corbyns door. (watch the Rosebushes if you are going to lay blame at his door)

But of course as people have made clear in this thread it IS Corbyn’s fault that Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband lost the previous 2 G.Es and surely if we get rid of Corbyn and replace him with a centrist Blairite bod the Labour Party will smash the next G.E whenever it is called.

I’m sure Angela Eagle or Chuka or whoever would bring back the vote from Labour heartlands. Maybe a rebranding as Chuka McUmana to get back Scotland.

@mefty + hasn’t membership increased by 60,000 recently and no one knows whether it’s in support of him or hoping to vote him out…

I reckon 50/50. (Going by twitter posts) Hopefully enough Tories will join to see Corbs through

Once again the Conservative party has proved why it has a PhD qualification in political ruthlessness, while at the same time the Labour party is struggling to even manage a GCSE retake

Excellent find.

This whole power to the members has backfired spectacularly, its too cheap, there are no proper checks including on multiple applications, there appears to be no qualification period, ie you can sign up today and vote tomorrow

Indeed, it’s almost so cheap and easy to do that mischief makers might sign up to elect him in order to weaken the party…

Seven months ago, on this very thread (page 109) I warned that the party was repeating the mistake of forming a ‘cult of personality’ as they did with Blair. A warning that had significant history on the political left. I can only restate that warning again now.

I thought he was different because other than the slogans he has no policies

That’s odd because I’d have said that his major problem is that he has no simple slogans to paint on buses, or tunes that the proles can hum along to, so he relies on boring stuff like reality, which is inevitably too complicated to be easily sold.

The Mash nails it again

Haha “he doesn’t even own a car what a dick”….what a great piece of intelligent journalism…for the record I’m not a JC supporter…just critical of all the media brainwashing going on at the moment…

I read that mash article as making fun of people who’ve changed their mind as much as making fun of Corbyn

Are you aware of the concept of satire? Or is that a capitalist Blairite conspiracy too? 😆

edenvalleyboy – Member

Has there been any proper feedback from the people who voted him in?

There is a YouGov poll out today of Labour Party members which suggests that he would win :

However, and this is quite important, the poll only included Labour Party members, not registered supporters or affiliated supporters, among whom his level of support has been significantly higher in the past.

And what is also quite important to mention is that the 50% support of party members the poll claims he enjoys today is exactly the same level of support he received from party members in the leadership election last year.

Actually 49.59% of party members voted for him when he won the leadership.

So according to the YouGov poll Corbyn’s support among Labour Party members hasn’t fallen recently, which I have to be honest surprises me a little.

One thing above all else that the leadership election last year taught us is just how out of touch Labour MPs are with their own party (never mind their own voters).

So far there is scant evidence that has changed very much.

@binners – I’m a way too Left to have a sense of humour anymore…. 😀

Edit; cheers for that post @ernie..

At least 60,000 new people have joined the Labour party in the past week amid delays to Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership challenge.

[/quote]That’s really poor grammar. (I know it’s not yours)

apologies

DrJ – Member

That’s odd because I’d have said that his major problem is that he has no simple slogans to paint on buses, or tunes that the proles can hum along to, so he relies on boring stuff like reality, which is inevitably too complicated to be easily sold.

apologies

I thought he was different because other than the boring JC “reality” based slogans he has no policies

that OK for you?

Let’s lighten this up: 🙂

Buried among the lies, the obvious distortions, and the shameless manipulation of actual facts, you occasionally come across an article which says it as you know to be.

This is one such article :

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rob-atkinson/labour-party-jeremy-corbyn_b_10773378.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&ir=UK+Politics

Epic 🙂

Mind you they may have seen a photo of Gove and felt right at home

Ernie seems a bit harsh to desribe the PLP as opportunists, Leave just won the Referendum not least as Labour did not do enough to pursude its voters to Remain 66/33 wasn’t enough. Tories where 40/60 and Kippers 5/95 (probably 0/100 and the 5 was a statisitcal error) – as we can see 66/33 wasn’t enough they needed to do better.

Actually 49.59% of party members voted for him when he won the leadership.

So according to the YouGov poll Corbyn’s support among Labour Party members hasn’t fallen recently, which I have to be honest surprises me a little.

One thing above all else that the leadership election last year taught us is just how out of touch Labour MPs are with their own party (never mind their own voters).

So far there is scant evidence that has changed very much.

How dare you come in here spoiling all the fun with actual evidence and staistics Ernie.

The problem for all of us is that we have some numerical evidence to support that Corbyn is more popular than either the press or the STW echo-chamber would have us think. But we have little way of knowing if the upsurge in party membership is 1) representative of general growing national support for labour, or 2) representative of people joining to get hm out or keep him in.

Also genuine naive political question -is there an accepted way of ‘measuring’ the effectiveness of an opposition party?

…As Corbyn Central posts on facebook listing a large and rather amusing list of conservative u-turns and climbdowns that have taken ace since August, and we have a rather precarious and awful leadership race in the conservative party, yet all I hear from STW and the papers is how ineffective an opposition labour has been. What would be different today had we had Blair or Smith as leader of the opposition?

as we can see 66/33 wasn’t enough they needed to do better.

I am more disappointed that the prime minister, the chancellor, helath secretary and the home secretary didn’t do better for their own voters. Newsflash: Europe is not an entirely left-right issue, many labour voters voted remain to curb the excesses of the right wing not because it is a labour thing to do. (I do not include myself in this as I don’t vote labour and I agreed with the experts).

What would be different today had we had Blair or Smith as leader of the opposition?

they might have some alternative policies to challenge the government with rather than vague JC “reality” based slogans

they might have some alternative policies to challenge the government with rather than vague JC “reality” based slogans

as you keep reminding us.

do you think these vague reality based slogans on the opposite benches have helped or hindered the government? 4-13 months into a 60 month period of government, are policies or parliamentary defeats more important for an effective opposition? And is there a way of measuring this? Again, Corbyn Central seem to have almost all the numbers on their side so far. Surely there must be a way of measuring how bad it really is?

I thought this sums the attitude of the plotters nicely :

“Every member of the shadow cabinet who resigned abstained in the vote on the Welfare Reform Bill in 2015. Needless to say, Corbyn voted against it. So those who fail to stand against the most regressive attacks on the poorest want to oust a guy who did stand against it because they say that they need a viable opposition to the Tories. That’s the great warped logic of the Labour cabinet.”[/b]

The appalling treatment of Jeremy Corbyn shows where Labour is heading

@ernie….it’s because the rally crywhine of our current political establisment is “but it won’t get us elected give me the power I’ve been promised by my priviledged education”…however, it’s not really surpising they put their egos above the people since they haven’t a clue what the majority of this country want/need..

@nifan …no need to post up links of your Tory leadership contest pin-ups where they’re all screaming..”look at me..look at me…I’m just like you really…I went to a comprehensive like you..I grew up in a one parent family…we’re the same..you can vote for me I know what it’s like to be you..” …what an embarrasment. 🙄

The Labour Party needs an aspirational message. Right now its all about booing the Tories like a Pantomime villan and spending money we don’t have. The parties obession with the Iraq War is fueling its self destruction. As noted in the press yesterday any leadership candidate who voted for the invasion is tainted and a candidate who wasn’t even a MP then has a big advantage (independent of the fact that we don’t know how they would have voted). That’s madness. The party has been overun by activists with other causes than winning a Labour majority. Wrong direction.

We know Corbyn has voted against a lot of things, 500 times against his own Labour Government. Now’s he is seeing it cuts both ways. He needs to vote for something and unkess he has support being leader is no different to being a protest MP apart from sitting at the front rather than the back.

No offense, jambalaya, but I do get the impression that you’re one of the very last people that anybody even semi-attached to the Labour Party would take advice from. Carry on.

No offense, jambalaya, but I do get the impression that you’re one of the very last people that anybody even semi-attached to the Labour Party would take advice from. Carry on.

To be fair David Cameron takes exactly the same position, as this comment in today’s Morning Star points out :

“If Corbyn were an unelectable disaster for the opposition party, why should the outgoing prime minister demand his replacement by somebody more effective? Even Cameron is not that spiteful towards his Tory successor.”[/b]

Jambalaya is just towing the Tory line that Corbyn must be replaced. For the Tories, and most Labour MPs, effective opposition means abstaining, that’s why they were elected – not to cause trouble for the Tories on important issues.

And if you doubt the sheer scale of the problem, if you doubt just how rotten and corrupt the Parliamentary Labour Party is :

These are the 184 Labour MPs who didn’t vote against the Tories’ cuts

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The Daily Telegraph has been at the forefront of the campaign to overthrow Corbyn, more so than any other paper including the Daily Mail (TBH in comparison the DM has been quite fair to Corbyn)

The Daily Telegraph obviously has a special relationship with the plotters, 10 days before the EU Referendum the plotters were opening telling the Daily Telegraph that they were about to stage a coup, they even detailed what tactics they would be using.

The Daily Telegraph of June 13 :

Labour rebels hope to topple Jeremy Corbyn in 24-hour blitz after EU referendum

Now at that point the smart money was on that voters would vote to Remain, the coup was put off until after the EU Referendum because they simply couldn’t have one before. But it had to be before the Chilcot Report.

If you doubt just how serious Chilcot is for the plotters, almost all of whom unlike Corbyn voted for war (which is one of the reasons that they can’t decide on a leader) today’s Independent :

Chilcot Inquiry: MPs seek to impeach Tony Blair using ancient law

I don’t know who will win the next general election but I do know with complete 100 percent certainty that whatever the result the Daily Telegraph will have backed the Tories.

Corbyn’s crime is that he is the first person in living memory to shake up the Parliament/the establishment. For that reason they will relentlessly try to crush him.

And he’s only been able to do it now after 30 years in Parliament because of the huge support he has behind him.

Jambalaya is just towing the Tory line that Corbyn must be replaced.

😆

I don’t know where the Corbynite conspiracy theories begin or end anymore – Me and Jamba paid three quid to elect the bloke, and I’m sure we would both be happy enough to do so again.

crime is that he is the first person in living memory to shake up the Parliament/the establishment. For that reason they will relentlessly try to crush him.
And he’s only been able to do it now after 30 years in Parliament because of the huge support he has behind him.

Eh? Surely this logic should, no indeed must apply to Farage?

crime is that he is the first person in living memory to shake up the Parliament/the establishment. For that reason they will relentlessly try to crush him.

Really? I’ve barely noticed him.

No offense, jambalaya, but I do get the impression that you’re one of the very last people that anybody even semi-attached to the Labour Party would take advice from. Carry on.

Ninfan and I both voted Labour in 1997 so maybe they should

To be clear I got very close to paying my £3 to vote for him, filled out the form but decided at the last second he was going to win anyway so didn’t spend the money. I think my responce to the why question was something like “i am committed to the electorate having the opportunity to vote on a true socialist manifesto in 2020”