Dan Jarvis is a future leadership candidate, not ready yet imho

Watson or Burnham

Watson ruled himself out.

Of government?

? Or is that a joke?

Think he’s trying to keep his job after Corbyn smashes another leadership contest.

Handsome, widowed, ex army major, lightweight!

Lightweight how? Not a hardcore extremist lefty? Actually, that would be very much in the interest of labour, and the UK.

Think he’s trying to keep his job after Corbyn smashes another leadership contest.

If he does, where does that leave the 80% of MPs who don’t support him? Resignation? Defection?

Seems to me if Corbyn wins he will continue with a significantly understaffed shadow cabinet and much of the work done by (momentum) activists ? 80% who don’t supoort him will sit on the (crowded) back benches

In fairness to JC he has a lot of experince of operating on his own as he’s never really been part of the Palrliamentary Labour Party

I imagine Jeremy Corbyn will branch off from the Labour party, perhaps he could call it the New-New Labour party

footflaps – Member

“He’s stood by and watched UKIP become, in the former labour ‘heartlands’ of the North, what the SNP have become in Scotland”.

Can a pro EU party offer these regions anything they actually want?

As far as I can see they’d rather starve to death than accept immigrants.
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Despite binners hyperventilating with rage and indignation as he rants on about “one-armed, free range, organic hermaphrodite middle-class lefties” who he informs us are the “very worst human beings on the planet”, and how they have wrecked the Labour Party causing UKIP to seize the Northern Labour heartlands actual hard “facts” don’t back up what is otherwise an impressive rant by any standard.

We had nationwide local elections exactly 8 weeks ago, this included Labour ‘heartlands’ of the North.

UKIP won 58 council seats and the control of 0 councils.

Labour, which came first in the elections, won 1,326 council seats and the control of 58 councils.

Labour’s closest rivals where the Tories who won 842 council seats and the control of 38 councils.

That was precisely 8 weeks ago.

Claiming that UKIP has become in the former Labour ‘heartlands’ of the North what the SNP have become in Scotland is a excellent rant but it is also utterly false. Unsurprisingly.

Yes but you know that people don’t vote the same way in local elections as they do in GEs.

Actual they do.

Labour strongholds vote Labour in local elections and Labour in general elections. Tory strongholds vote Tory in local elections and Tory in general elections. LibDem strongholds vote LibDem in local elections and LibDem in general elections. UKIP strongholds vote UKIP in local elections and UKIP in general elections.

Can you see a pattern ?

Maybe you could tell us what the benefit of winning stronghold seats is?

Does it matter whether Liverpool Walton is settled with a 10,000 or 20,000 Labour majority, if they can’t win Bolton West?

No need to be such a sarcastic arsehole ernie – please. It’s just nasty and unnecessary.

My point was that the proportions of councils controlled by the parties is not the same as the proportions of seats in the commons. I haven’t got time right now to find the stats on overall council controls so cannot do the maths.

No need to be such a sarcastic arsehole ernie – please. It’s just nasty and unnecessary.

If you think I’m being nasty hit the report button mate. I post how I wish, not how you would wish me to.

My style, which you obviously don’t approve of, doesn’t include calling someone a “sarcastic arsehole”. But I let people decide for themselves how they construct their posts.

somafunk – Member
I imagine Jeremy Corbyn will branch off from the Labour party, perhaps he could call it the New-New Labour party

So we square the circle from my first post on this thread

teamhurtmore – Member
So by latest accounts, Jezza is doing a pretty good job and may be appointed our next leader of the opposition. Well done to him.

So what will the next name be

New, new labour
New, old labour
Retro labour
Hard labour

Ok not the last one but…..

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any more?

Busted flush
Left out
Red mist (that’s for our angry socialist/UKIP sympathiser)

If you think I’m being nasty hit the report button mate

No, I’ll just ask you to be a bit nicer. You can refuse, but I can still ask.

Hopefully Corbyn stays and the rest leave.

#remain

I thought Tom came over very well in that interview.

Well I’ve told you, you are wasting your time. Report my posts, ignore my posts, don’t read my posts, whatever you want. There was no “sarcasm” but if you think there was then deal with it in whatever way you see fit. I will continue not calling people arseholes, if that’s ok with you*.

* That’s me being sarcastic btw.

Maybe you could tell us what the benefit of winning stronghold seats is?

Better than the Scottish alternative 🙂 ?

Jeremy obviously hasn’t been given enough time to convince the party members of the wisdom of his policies. So clearly he should go on. Also due to bias in the press they should be prevented from reporting on him at all.

Given his position in Stop the Wat its quite ironic that it seems quite likely that the squabling over the leadership will continue right up to and beyond Chilcot. I also wonder whether Corbyn and the NEC will try and again surpress the full details of the anti-semitism investigation (mark 3). Maybe that could be the end ?

Ernie you honestly don’t think your post was a bit inflammatory?

Stop the Wat

Seems harsh.

Ernie you honestly don’t think your post was a bit inflammatory?

I didn’t think it was in the least bit inflammatory. I was making a point.

Now if you think that me making a point which contradicts yours is “a bit inflammatory” then that’s a whole different ballgame.

Anyone have any constructive ideas at this point?

Personally, I value the opinion of the members over the current PLP and their excellent sense of timing.

I would be prepared to compromise, in order to maintain unity in the face of a GE, but how much?

How much do we change and compromise before we have to encourage those without a Socialist principle between them to find a natural home in the Lib Dems?
They could happily mount a successful coup there by vigorously waving a doily.

Change too much and we lose the new, young voters everyone pretended to be so happy about.
Don’t change enough and no effective opposition to the Tory lurch to the populist right?

I didn’t think it was in the least bit inflammatory. I was making a point.

Well, it really read as inflammatory.

Rusty – best option I think is for Corbyn to step down, and try and find a candidate slightly centre of himself maybe but that would still appeal to the PLP. Then endorse that candidate.

However his reluctance to co-operate with the PLP make you wonder how acrimonious it’s been, and who made it so?

Personally, I value the opinion of the members over the current PLP and their excellent sense of timing.

Agreed, but with 70-80% of the PLP on strike, Labour won’t be going anywhere, so we really do need a better solution.

Personally, I value the opinion of the members over the current PLP

Surely the focus should be on those who might vote Labour, as opposed to those who would slavishly vote for a dog turd if it had a red rosette on it?

How much do we change and compromise before we have to encourage those without a Socialist principle between them to find a natural home in the Lib Dems?

History is not kind to the labour party when this happens

UNpalatable though it is I think we need to accept that in order to get the populus back to the left e need to do it by winning hearts and minds.
Corbyn is unlikely to do this

The membership love him, the PLP dont and the electorate are hard to predict

Whatever happens this serious squabbling is destructive to the party and the PLP are not going to STFU. I dont think the membership will either

I Predict carnage

Labour strongholds vote Labour in local elections and Labour in general elections

Well only 2/3 ish voted IN which was the official Labour policy on the EU Ref (although in fairness I bet most of them didn’t know that as Labour’s campaign was so low key).

Surely the focus should be on those who might vote Labour, as opposed to those who would slavishly vote for a dog turd if it had a red rosette on it?

Sounds like the talk of a Blairite red tory traitor to me….

Rusty Spanner – Member

I would be prepared to compromise, in order to maintain unity in the face of a GE, but how much?

I am easily prepared to compromise. My comprise would be a rule change which allows constituency Labour Parties and affiliates to nominate candidates in leadership elections. And then have another ballot to settle the matter.

As long as constituency Labour Parties and affiliates had the right to nominate leadership candidates I would be happy. At the moment the Parliamentary Labour Party has far too much power.

And if a Labour MP really has a problem with what his or her party wants then the obvious solution is for them is to consider leaving the party.

If I strongly disagreed with my party’s decisions and couldn’t accept them then that’s what I would do. It’s the sensible and democratic solution.

Those in the PLP with a shred of dignity would have done this before the referendum and in a very different way.

But timing and execution designed to create maximum damage?
It’s pure egomania.

Many individual prominent members of the PLP have banked an awful lot on being irreplaceable.
Watching them find out that they are not might provide some consolation.

If I strongly disagreed with my party’s decisions and couldn’t accept them then that’s what I would do.

Surely you could try and change people’s minds? After all, a party with no differing opinions wouldn’t be healthy either…

Ernie – you really are a true Corbynista. Like his supporters, you seem more intent on slagging off anyone who disagrees with the beardy messiah, than engaging in any of the issues raised.

this is the reality in the ‘northern heartlands’

This has been going on for decades, but it’s gaining real momentum, because Jeremy refuses to let these issues be identified as issues. Electoral oblivion awaits, but we’ll keep the Red Flag Flying in ever more irrelevent opposition Eh comrade?

, Labour is “largely a party of progressive, social liberals who value principles such as equality, sustainability, and social justice. It is losing connection with large parts of the voter population who are either pragmatists in their voting habits or social conservatives who value family, work, fairness and their country.”

Truthfully I am not sure WTF you want to do to appeal to these voters.

What exactly are you suggesting?

Is Burnham still loyal to Corbyn, or has he joined the revolt now?

JY – acknowledging they exist would be a start.

Andy is staying well out by ‘Doing a Sadiq’ and extricating himself from the car crash that is/was the shambles of the Corbyn front bench by becoming Mayor of Manchester, and having nothing to do with this whole sorry farce’

Very clever of him. He’s not embroiled in it, and can watch from a distance while it looks like the Westminster Labour Party self-indulgently destroys itself, when it should be more relevant than ever, and representing the shrinking amount of people who still vote for them

It’s truly tragic

My money’s on David Miliband rocking up on a white charger as Labour candidate for the uncontested Birstall by election and then becoming leader.

The only issue I can see with that is that the membership probably wouldn’t vote him in as leader even if he was the best chance Labour would have of winning the next election.

OK i acknowledge they exist. Now what ?

they think I sit in a ivory tower of liberal elitism and i think they are narrow minded “bigots”
.
Whats your plan for us all to get along and play nicely?

WHilst I am using STW language to describe this its a serious point.

What do you want me to do to win them back ? TBH i dont really want to be associated with them and the feelings mutual.
The left is in turmoil I get that but I dont see a solution
DO you?

It’s only the Mayor of Manchester, a title no one really wants or cares about that much.

Amongst other things, I’d like his solemn word he had nothing to do with any of this before I ever considered voting for him though.