It’s amusing that so many people here are so virulently anti-Corbyn. And your choice for Labour leader would be?

Labour was traditionally a party of the Left. Successive right-wing governments have, through lies, manipulation of facts, the media and constant demonisation of leftist politics, have turned the UK into a fundamentally right-wing nation. Any notion that our politics are at all ‘centrist’ are laughable; only from a very right-wing position, could that be true.

The simple fact is, that with the UK heading the way it is (declining rapidly as a global force, increasingly dependant on imports and foreign investment, and with other nations rapidly overtaking it in terms of economies), the only way for the nation to go, if the current status quo is maintained, is downhill. Leading to a situation where eventually, the UK will not survive without major state intervention to protect what little industries and resources we have left. The incumbent tories don’t really care about this; they will have lined their own nests long before this happens. but the decline is increasing in pace, and a continuance of right-wing leadership will see the UK tearing itself apart. The elite will retreat into the larger metropolitan areas, and we could even see the regions splinter, with London and the South East emerging as a separate entity altogether (Scotland will have become an irrelevance by then, as it will have no resources to support itself).

The bulk of the problem is that many in the UK enjoyed relative wealth compared globally, and got complacent. Easy credit led to massive overspending and economic short sightedness. Those with a vested interest in taking fools money from them, got very, very rich. Now we have a situation, at the end of Empire, where the golden goose is no longer laying, and the stockpile of baked beans is running out.

But I don’t see many people coming up with any clear, workable plans. Just a lot of blaming of others.

“A lot of shouting coming from binners but not many ideas….”

Because of course, it’s so much easier to blame others for your own problems/lack of progress, than to look at yourself, and take responsibility for your part in it all.

The whole party needs fundamental reform, from the ground up. But thats not going to happen under Comrade Corbyn. The first step has to be ushering him back onto the backbenches he should never have left.

As their current membership seem to support Corbyn (Guardian Poll yesterday), it seems unlikely there will be any change. If the members call the shots and they want a left wing party, then a left wing party it is.

Almost funny from Tom Watson

“Everyone needs to calm down and try and prevent a civil war in the Labour party. We should not rush into a leadership contest that would be irreversible.”

Well we rushed out of Europe and into financial Armageddon, so why not this 😉

This is interesting and leads to bigger questions about just how much of politics and media is choreographed well in advance by PR firms which taint the value of democracy:

Labour coup plotters protected by media giant tied to Blairite PR firm, linked to coup

A Sky News report identifying three senior Labour Party whips as the Blairite “choreographers” of Labour opposition to Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership was inexplicably self-censored on Monday. But the censorship comes as little surprise given Sky News’ longstanding connections to a powerful PR firm tied to former Prime Minister Tony Blair. The firm, Portland Communications, is not only directly connected to the Labour coup plotters, but had anticipated a Shadow Cabinet “mass resignation” contingency plan to oust Corbyn at least six months ago – long before the EU referendum results.

Five paragraphs identifying the Blairite ringleaders of the coup were deleted from a Sky News report hours after being quoted in an investigation by The Canary.

The Canary reported that the individuals identified were part of a wider network of Blairite elites affiliated to the Fabian Society, who have seen Jeremy Corbyn’s landside victory in Labour leadership elections as a direct threat to the New Labour ‘old guard’ in the party.

Yet shortly after the publication of our story, including passages quoted from Sky News identifying core instigators of the mass resignations, Sky News updated its report with a new version of the article, in which those passages were removed.

The earlier version of the Sky News report, which has now been completely scrubbed from all published versions available online, suggested that the sudden uprising was not spontaneous, but carefully planned.

The report quoted Sky News political correspondent Sophy Ridge accusing one of Corbyn’s own whips, Conor McGinn MP, of coordinating the resignations to “try to cause maximum impact”:

Meanwhile, the party’s leaders in the Lords – Baroness Smith of Basildon, Labour leader in the Lords, and Lord Bassam, the chief whip – are likely to boycott shadow cabinet meetings while Mr Corbyn remains, a spokesman for the House of Lords said.

Former shadow education secretary Lucy Powell, who resigned on Sunday, insisted the resignations were not a ‘planned coup’ against Mr Corbyn, but a reaction to the ‘seismic’ events which have shaken Westminster in recent days.

But Sky’s Senior Political Correspondent Sophy Ridge said she understood that the man choreographing the resignations is Conor McGinn, Labour MP for St Helens North.

She said: ‘He’s ringing shadow cabinet members and ministers, organising the timings and co-ordinating the resignations to try to cause maximum impact.

‘This is significant because he’s one of Jeremy Corbyn’s Whips – tasked with ensuring party discipline.’

The earlier version of the article can still be viewed via Google’s cache feature here.

From Sky, to Portland, to the Labour MP who tabled the motion against Corbyn

But an exclusive investigation on Tuesday by The Canary’s Steve Topple has found that Portland is directly linked to the anti-Corbyn uprising. Portland Communications’ Advisory Board includes Blair spin doctors Alastair Campbell and Jimmy Leach, along with Kitty Ussher, former Parliamentary Private Secretary to Margaret Hodge, who was Blair’s Trade Minister until 2007.

It was Margaret Hodge who first tabled a motion of no confidence against Jeremy Corbyn on Friday.

The Canary asked Portland Communications by email whether the firm, or people affiliated with the firm, were involved in the mounting campaign to oust Corbyn, but received no response.

Tony Ball, Tim Allan’s former boss at Sky, later also went on to join Portland Communications’ leadership team himself.

Sky News Editor-at-Large Adam Boulton is personally close to the Blairite network. In 2006, Boulton married Tony Blair’s communications advisor Anji Hunter. The wedding was attended by Blair, and several other senior Blairite officials including Portland’s Alastair Campbell, along with Peter Hain, David Blunkett and Tessa Jowell.

If it was indeed planned months in advance, is the Brexit referendum simply being used as leverage, when the real issue is the Chilcot report being released next week?

I really don’t see why those ‘Labour’ MPs against Corbyn can’t just up and leave to form their own new party, if they cannot accept the democratic mandate that made him party leader. They can deselect themselves and stand as independents/new party members in the next GE. And everyone who has voted Labour yet doesn’t like Corbyn, can go and vote for them. That’s democracy.

Of course, this new party would be even more ineffectual and politically irrelevant as the LibDems. But at least they’d be able to stay on the political gravy train, because let’s face it; that’s pretty much the only reason most of them got into politics anyway.

“If the members call the shots and they want a left wing party, then a left wing party it is.”

Exactly. End of. Don’t like it? Leave. Nobody’s forcing you to stay.

And everyone who has voted Labour yet doesn’t like Corbyn, can go and vote for them. That’s democracy.

Also a lot of hard work, probably easier to just try and force him out then go back to feathering their own nests…

“It’s amusing that so many people here are so virulently anti-Corbyn. And your choice for Labour leader would be?”

Well, Corbyn, obviously.

It’s amusing that so many people here are so virulently anti-Corbyn. And your choice for Labour leader would be?

Its a tough one isn’t it?

Any notion that our politics are at all ‘centrist are laughable; only from a very right-wing position, could that be true.

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The simple fact is, that with the UK heading the way it is (declining rapidly as a global force, increasingly dependant on imports and foreign investment, and with other nations rapidly overtaking it in terms of economies), the only way for the nation to go, if the current status quo is maintained, is downhill.

I wont ask what definition of simple is being used, but one point – given that we are the fifth largest economy in the world (FX volatility notwithstanding) “rapidly overtaking” seems about as factual as a VL promise

The bulk of the problem is that many in the UK enjoyed relative wealth compared globally,

Hang on, are we in rapid decline or enjoying relative wealth?

Easy credit led to massive overspending and economic short sightedness. Those with a vested interest in taking fools money from them, got very, very rich.

At least that is true 😉

thm, apologies for calling you a knob.
It was actually meant to come across as friendly.
🙂

I stand by the rest of the now deleted post though.
😀

“given that we are the fifth largest economy in the world “

6th, according to recent figures. And slipping down the table. And of course, it all depends on who’s making up the figures. 😉

“Hang on, are we in rapid decline or enjoying relative wealth?”

Notice ‘enjoyed‘. Past tense. 😉

dont worry clod – its bad but not that bad

rusty – ok, thx

“It’s amusing that so many people here are so virulently anti-Corbyn. And your choice for Labour leader would be?”

David Miliband. Although they’d need some jiggery pokery to get him in in time.

In fact if the unions hadn’t decided that they wanted the wrong Miliband in charge of the labour party the right one might have won the GE and so we wouldn’t have ended up with the referendum in the first place. Bloody unions…

“dont worry clod – its bad but not that bad”

Hold on-

“David Miliband.”

No, it is. It really is. 😯

Seriously; we didn’t all wake up on Friday and the UK is a 100 times worse place. But I think all the facts point towards rapid decline if the current situation continues. Mind you; none of this really affects me, as I’m part of the ‘liberal elite’, as I’ve already mentioned. I do feel sorry for Binners though; what will he do when all the Greggs close down because all their migrant staff have gone?

declining rapidly as a global force

Prior to last Thursday, what’s your source for this claim?

Politicians and nappies have one thing in common: they should both be changed regularly… and for the same reason…

Have the PLP decided on a contender yet? What about George Osbourne? Or Stephen Crabbe. Proper centrist politicians – I think Crabbe is from a working class backround ! And he’s Welsh!

(Scotland will have become an irrelevance by then, as it will have no resources to support itself).

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I really don’t see why those ‘Labour’ MPs against Corbyn can’t just up and leave to form their own new party,

Simple isn’t it, like everything else in life it boils down to money. Where is going to come from to start a new party?

Taxes and/or the money tree?

So even Cameron wants him to stand down, another Tory wants Corbyn out! No doubt it will strengthen his resolve.

Did anyone hear Milliband on WATO ? He sounded SO like Tony Blair! It was like he was doing an impression.

Its more than that a party needs boots on the ground,
not easy to generate those

Its more than that a party needs boots on the ground,
not easy to generate those

Not when the boots have already voted for the leader you’re trying to oust, no.

He was voted in to lead the plp. Given that somewhere around 80% of the PLP have expressed no confidence in his ability to do that job how can be fulfil the mandate given to him.

Imagine if the 170 or so mp’s who voted against him buggered off, joined another party, went awol whatever would be still be say there with the 40 loyal mp’s saying well, this is what the membership voted for-me to lead the party.

He needs to go…

PLP created this mess for themselves, they put him on the ballot in the first place. I understand he has to be on again this time (differeing views) I just wonder about the chaos there would be if he’s re-elected (how do you spell that 😳 ).

I just wonder about the chaos there would be if he’s re-elected

It would mean the end of the labour party, as it’d have no option but to split.

I firmly believe that the militant lefties around the Glorious bearded leader are so narrow-minded, and sanctimoniously convinced of their own rightness, that they would regard this as a victory. Even if, in doing so, they cosigned the labour party to electoral oblivion for ever and handed the country a permanent one party state. They really are that mental!

One party state sounds familiar

conviction innit, binners?

Old men are notoriously unstable on stairs you know, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

What the heck are Unions doing, I’d expect the more lefty ones to remain positive, but surely some of the more center ground ones realise he is a deadman walking?

“I firmly believe that the militant lefties around the Glorious bearded leader are so narrow-minded”

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Have you ever been to a Labour party meeting? ‘Militant lefties’? More like a load of centrist and moderate lefties! There aren’t any ‘militants’ left! They’ve pretty much given up on Labour; they did so nearly 20 years ago.

“Even if, in doing so, they cosigned the labour party to electoral oblivion for ever and handed the country a permanent one party state. “

So; you’d rather the right-wingers merely elect yet another **** to make them supposedly ‘electable’ (that went so well with that useless little puppet Ed Miliband, didnt it?), and get wiped out yet again by the actual tories/UKIP? What’s the point of that? As I read the other day, it would be merely the other side of a shit sandwich. Or is it just that you want a ‘Labour’ party to win an election, to satisfy your own ego?

As it is, you can vote tory if that’s what you want; same outcome. Then you can be on the ‘winning’ side.

Labour needs to split in order to restore balance to UK politics. If this doesn’t happen, then we are doomed to a right wing society for ever.

Seriously binners who is the labour MP to unify the country?

Do you want someone anti- immigration to get kippers on side?

Do you thnk Eagle ir Watson would win a G.E?

PLP as deluded as the Corbynistas.

@clod btw UK stock market outperforming most others, markets are saying Brexit is worse for Europeans than us.

Socialist Workers Party where out in force at the pro-Corbyn rally the other day. I would suspect many of the £3-ers are SWP ?

“what’s your source for this claim?”

Reality.

Not really an answer.

“In force” Jambas? There were possibly more members of a shadow cabinet in the photo than in the rally…

How did their numbers compare with the pro-Europeans yesterday protesting at the con act pulled of by the BSers?

I firmly believe that the militant lefties around the Glorious bearded leader are so narrow-minded, and sanctimoniously convinced of their own rightness, that they would regard this as a victory. Even if, in doing so, they cosigned the labour party to electoral oblivion for ever and handed the country a permanent one party state. They really are that mental!

Just perhaps they’ve looked at the PLP and seen a bunch of self-serving, venal, mendacious, pole-climbing careerists fighting over nothing that actually matters, instead of trying to work out what the Labour party is actually supposed to be for.

Clearly, Corbyn isn’t the answer but I’m pretty sure the answer isn’t going to be found in that total shower of nonentities.

Time to get rid and start again.

Socialist Workers Party where out in force at the pro-Corbyn rally the other day. I would suspect many of the £3-ers are SWP ?

You do know that Corbyn would have won without the three quidders, right?

I would suspect many of the £3-ers are SWP conservative party members ?

FIFY

What’s the consensus on Dan Jarvis?

Lightweight

You do know that Corbyn would have won without the three quidders, right?

Yes

Wings on Corbyn

The suicide squad

breaking news: Jeremy Corbyn has declared that he intends to defend labour leadership with trial by combat!