What we do know though is that Labour per se have NOT become unelectable because of Corbyn; a very strong result in the recent by election proves that. Unfortunately for the AntiCorbs. Happy to accept that a by election and a GE are two different things, but he’s certainly not the rabid vote repeller that the likes of Dragon, Jamby, THM and Ninfan would like to paint him as. To be honest, the longer he survives, the more credible he looks. Seismic ructions within the ranks were always inevitable; we are witnessing a process of a major political party undergoing a fundamental shift. But after all the upheavals he consistently comes out looking like the honest, calm, dignified and principled chap that he promised he would be. He’s made mistakes; I think he underestimated the venom and forcefulness of which he’d be attacked from within his party, even from within his cabinet. But he’s given the right wingers a genuine chance, and they’ve squandered it. There’s no point having a ‘broad church’ if the different denominations are going to try to stab each other at every opportunity. He can now continue the realignment of the party with a clear conscience.

Thought this was interesting, in that article:

“Party membership figures are a controversial issue, with the former cabinet minister Peter Mandelson, who is opposed to Corbyn, telling a Labour meeting in the Lords last month that “30,000 long-term members have left the party, real members, tens of thousands”.

But the newly released figures undermine his claim, showing a total of 13,860 have left since the general election, some of them having resigned while others have gone as part of natural churn.”

Good old Mandy.

Oh and who succeeds dave

Ruth Davidson hopefully

But he’s given the right wingers a genuine chance, and they’ve squandered it.

Almost like he planned it that way 🙂 Seriously though, I don’t think he did, I genuinely think he wanted the mature, broad church approach to work where people would debate issues seriously and come to rational, informed decisions. It’s possible he underestimated his critics ability to present themselves as spoilt children, but I suspect he always had a backup plan for that eventuality, which is now playing out. Maybe, just maybe, he’s not quite as politically naive as the haters would like us to think he is.

I genuinely think he wanted the mature, broad church approach to work where people would debate issues seriously and come to rational, informed decisions.

I agree – and as long as they subsequently made the ‘right’ decision, then that’s exactly how it would have worked.

I agree – and as long as they subsequently made the ‘right’ decision

And if he gave in on every issue he’d be labelled weak and indecisive. Whiich would you prefer? Seeing as you voted for him you must have an opinion.

The answer there is that if you are going to create a system where people “debate issues seriously and come to rational, informed decisions” then he doesn’t ever have to “give in” on anything

You create a system like that, then you have to accept its decisions, and back them (‘warts and all’)

He only created a rod for his own back where he chose to either pre-announce his own ‘decision’ before that debate, or decide to publically denounce the decision that came out of the debate afterwards.

Junkyard – lazarus

all leaders reshuffle to enable them to be surrounded by their close confidants, allies and those with a similar outlook and zeal for the “cause”

Corbyn will be no different though the tory press and trolls will try and present this like

1) divided party
2) undemocratic
3) the start of some sort of Stalinist cult of personality
4) hypocrisy- will point out how many times he voted against his party etc
5) weakness

6) simply does not have the leadership look
7) not born with leadership quality
8 ) advocate of bureaucratic system
9) elitism
10) insincere – most politicians are and not just JC(not Jesus Christ)
11) passive aggressive
12) has a very dark side

To mention a few … 😆

The Daily Telegraph’s frantic obsession with devoting as many column inches as possible to Jeremy Corbyn appears to be relentless and is becoming evermore bizarre :

Jeremy Corbyn reveals his dearest wish is a £475 bicycle

I assume (since it’s from the Daily Telegraph) that this otherwise completely pointless article is suppose to put me off voting for a Labour Party led by Jeremy Corbyn, but I have no idea why.

What in the eyes of the Daily Telegraph is the significance of the £475 price tag ?

EDIT : I hadn’t scrolled down to the very end of the article, judging from the question “Can a true Socialist covet an expensive bicycle?” in their online poll the Daily Telegraph apparently thinks that £475 is a lot of money to pay for a bicycle.

That puts their judgment on economic matters into perspective. And their connection with reality.

I think there may be a crowdfunding project underway to get Jeremy the new bike. 🙂

£3 each?

🙂

Whether Corbyn is “electable” or not he is possibly the best opposition leader we have had for a while. He will[/u] hold Hameron to task and he will represent the electorate at MPs “Who can be the biggest **** time” PM’s question time unlike previous Labour leaders (Dead Ed?) or the leadership candidates (Burnham, Kendal, Balls).

He is a refreshing change from the on-message, be-suited drones we are used to.

” [Labour] Membership jumped from 201,293 on 6 May last year, the day before the general election, to 388,407 on 10 January.
[Dragon – member]
Just a blip when over 45 million are registered to vote. “

The conservative party seemed to get enough votes to win last time around – the membership count of the conservative party was and still is tiny in comparison to Labours membership now. Besides I don’t think correlating membership directly with voting works – there must be many other factors involved.

“Latest estimates – based upon party press releases and media reports – suggest the Conservative Party has around 149,800 members, Labour 270,000, the SNP 110,000, the Green Party (England and Wales) 61,000, the Liberal Democrats 61,000 and UKIP 42,000.11 Aug 2015”

[The Labour Party figures will have gone up since this statement from last August. Amazed the Librarals have any members other than Clegg the deceitful].

http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN05125.pdf

I think members matter more to labour, Tories get quite a bit more money from their supporters and obviously the Murdoch’s, Barclay Bros and Rothermere’s onside too, the BBC has been hobbled and that just leaves Toynbee to stick up for labour 😕 . They need boots on the ground if they really wanna win.

That’s my ashcroftian assessment anyway

The new politics seems to mean ensuring your buddies who where rejected by the Scots get to stand in Wales. So much for (local) members getting to decide.

The same could be said for Farage, he successfully appeals to his grass roots supporters, didn’t make him electable though.

UKIP are on a positive upwards slope in terms of voter numbers, now second in many Labour constituencies. If they’ve done one thing it coild be ensuring an EU referendum. Labour needs to reverse their decline particularly in swing constituencies, is Corbyn the man for that ?

UKIP are on a positive upwards slope in terms of voter numbers, now second in many Labour constituencies

Crumbs that sounds terrible for the tories and they have lost a seat and some MPs to them. Thanks for the reminder of how poorly the Tories are doing V UKIP. I admire your cheek in trying to use it as a means to attack labour. Very bold of you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06vmznt

Radio 4 programme on momentum by spectator reporter for those who care

I missed most of it so info rather than a recomendation

JC(not Jesus Christ) has no leadership gene in him so no matter how he tries he cannot be one. He is just the steward to warm the seat for the next person.

If Benn campaigns out of EU membership he is guaranteed to be the PM.

If lefties campaign out or take UK out of EU membership they will definitely be a guarantee lefties govt for a long time.

Then they can turn the whole UK as red as they want with no objection …

Ya, difficult innit!

Be hypocrite to the core belief … you are screwed!

😆

He is just the steward to warm the seat for the next person.

You know, this may well be true, and even part of Corbyn’s plan. But I don’t for a second think that Benn has got a hope in hell appealing to the new party faithful after his recent disgraceful performance; even if he may be a canny choice for appealing to the electorate at large. He’s set himself up at odds with Corbyn, and for now at least, that’s set him up to fail.

He is just the steward to warm the seat for the next person.

Scatelogical euphemism?

Private Eye this week said that Seamus Milne spent a summer holiday from uni at a PFLP training camp in Syria. 😯

Has this been covered yet, anyone else gonna donate (I believe quite a few on here already sent 3 quid his way)

Let’s annoy the right wing press by buying Jeremy Corbyn his dream bike for his birthday and supporting some good causes

http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/lets-get-jez-his-dream-bike/

Private Eye this week said that Seamus Milne spent a summer holiday from uni at a PFLP training camp in Syria.

should have spent it smashed out of his gourd on cider, dope and coke in a wiltshire field with me. 😀

I enjoyed reading a transcript of JC’s speech from the Fabian Society this morning.
Encouraging.

A nuclear submarine without warheads. On planet Jezza that’s a policy idea. What those things do share is an equal level of effectiveness

@kimbers why will a new bike annoy the press ? I wonder what £6k bike he’ll go for ?

Proceeds of bike crowdfunder are going to charidee and he is buying the exorbitantly priced Raleigh criterium (you could get half a plate at a conservative fundraising dinner, a second hand fork or ck hubs for that!) as a birthday present to himself in May. Reported in a gentle and unspectacular way today by a broadsheet you never seem to post links to Jamby.

Nb plenty of nuclear submarines with no nuclear warheads already exist in a choice of navies. I realise that wasn’t what you meant but fully expect rw media to make the exact same mistake on the front pages tomorrow. What would be different would be to actually own and/or 100% have our own authority to launch them.

Got it. If I never post links to said broadsheet suggests I don’t read it. Corbyns potential Trident “policy” is going to sound ridiculous to the average voter and adds to him being an easy target for the government. My fuess is its a fudge and something to appease Scots ahead of the election there in May

5thElefant – Member

He is just the steward to warm the seat for the next person

Scatelogical euphemism[/quote]

Steward as in the LOTR the Steward King … something like that. 😆

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35357426

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35357426

So labour need to win seats from the SNP and tories. Very insightful I must say. K****berg should go back to what she does best – spreading westminster tittle-tattle and manufacturing tory PR stunts.

[video]http://youtu.be/JKDo6g4CCeU[/video]

Right wing nutjob alert!

😆 I guess that applies to 69% of the population if you think JC is normal.

Right wing nutjob alert!

Ah, an abusive Ad Hom.

Nice.

cranberry – Member
Ah, an abusive Ad Hom.

I thought he was talking about guido/paul staines?

Guido is only reporting the results from YouGov/Britain Elects and there was no comment in my post, just inconvenient truths for those who support JC.

The pollsters are obviously biased against Jeremy and will stop at nothing to undermine him.

just inconvenient truths for those who support JC.

I for one thank you for the way you impartially and without agenda report the facts

Thanks
comrade 😉

Its clearly not good news but, tbh ,that is the only reason you posted it

Anyone seen an actual link to the actual research/poll – Genuine Q as my google fu was weak – twitter and a non existent website

And the polls did such a great job in the last election, predicting a hung parliament.

And the polls did such a great job in the last election

those damn polls and their Labour bias eh?
😉