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ernie_lynch - Member

I havent heard anyone say that it has been done before, and/or give examples, which is why I asked

Well Fox News have reported it, so I guess quite a few Yanks must know about it.

Quote from Fox News :

"Compassionate release is an established feature of the British judicial system when a prisoner is near death. According to officials, there have been 30 requests for release on compassionate grounds in Scotland over the last decade, 23 of which were approved."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540967,00.html

About two thirds of the way down.

BTW as I understand it the 7 who were not approved, were only not approved because the authorities were unconvinced that they within 3 months of death, there were no other reasons as far as I know.

Posted 2 years ago #
TandemJeremy - Member

MrMC - then its about how we hear it. I didn't hear the whole speeach just bits- but I take that quote as meaning that because the USA had an expectation he would complete his sentence in Scotland then the prisoner transfer was the wrong thing to do as it would be going against that exectation. remember the trial was pre devolution. However releasing him on compassionate grounds means his sentence is complete and has been completed in Scotland.

Posted 2 years ago #
muddydwarf - Member

Try this site for some hilarious frothing at the mouth by ignorant Americans equating Libya's anti-Islamist relatively secular state and Scotland's independent judicial system with the Taliban et.al.

http://www.topix.net/forum/world/T98VKANS0N3L4A4IG

Posted 2 years ago #
TandemJeremy - Member

Muddy dwarf - I don't know whether to thank you or not for that link

Congrats, you Scottish Muslims! Your elected representative just sold your great warrior culture (aka William Wallace)down the drain to kiss face with the Islamofacists in LIBYA, for goodness sakes! How dare you post on an AMERICAN website? Go live under the rock of Socialist appeasement, and hope for forgiveness for YOUR SINS!

How many ignorant errors in one short rant?

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

I particularly liked this one muddydwarf :

Pit Bull owner
Bethpage, NY

Remember the next time the Luftwaffe is bombing London
you might be on your own
Fu**UK too

Obviously the daft redneck doesn't realise that Britain was indeed on her own, when the Luftwaffe was bombing London.

Because despite it being our darkest hour, our 'great friend and ally' stood back and refused to come to our assistance. Britain very nearly fell, no thanks to the United States.

By the time the Americans themselves were bombed at Pearl Habor, the Blitz was over and the Battle of Britain had been won.

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I also liked the punter who asked if we would support the release of "IRA bombers, and other assorted terrorists who have murdered your fellow citizens?" Clearly someone who follows events in the UK very carefully

Posted 2 years ago #
TandemJeremy - Member

Heather Proud Scot

Judish - Away and boil yir heid - mind tae pull it oot yir erse first though ya skanky thick bawbag!

A rather erudite comment from one of the Scots on there.

I have done my bit for anglo usa relations - pointing out on a couple of blogs like that the Christian thing to do is " turn the other cheek" - all good fun seeing as they invoke christ all the time.

Posted 2 years ago #
muddydwarf - Member

Guys - you wouldn't believe the idiocy displayed on that website, it really does try very hard to confirm that most Americans are ignorant to the point of moronity when it comes to thinking.

Seriously, have a trawl through the site - it keeps me occupied for hours sometimes (i need a life!)

Posted 2 years ago #
clubber - Member

it really does try very hard to confirm that most Americans are ignorant to the point of moronity when it comes to thinking

The thing is that if the same was happening the other way round, there'd be just as many stupid comments from people from the UK - let's not fool ourselves here...

Posted 2 years ago #
muddydwarf - Member

Clubber, it's not just about the McAskill decision though.
Have a trawl through that site, it's full of thousands upon thousands of threads - most of which are populated by some really ignorant and stupid people from the US and beyond.
I started on that site in the run up to the US election as a way of finding out how Americans were thinking. The fanaticism from some parts is astounding, there are people on there CONVINCED that Pres.Obama is an African-born Muslim dictator?????

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

I started on that site in the run up to the US election as a way of finding out how Americans were thinking.

Yeah, but don't get carried away believing that's how all Yanks think.

Because whilst there might well be "people on there CONVINCED that Pres.Obama is an African-born Muslim dictator"" don't forget that the guy won the presidential elections - so a fair few Americans liked him then.

Perhaps it should also be remembered that whilst there are undoubtedly a great deal of ignorant religious right-wing fanatics in the US, who are always inevitably baying for blood and revenge, the opposite is also true. For example roughly a third of the US states have no death sentence, and of those who have, I believe the majority do not carry out the execution, eg. iirc California has some 600 plus on death row, but only about a dozen have been executed in the last 30 years.

Posted 2 years ago #
buzz-lightyear - Member

" it came across as self-aggrandising, pro-devolution rhetoric"

Probably an accurate assessment. I'm not getting all dewy-eyed over Mcaskill - but I think he does believe what he is saying, albeit pompously, and is sticking his neck out for what he thinks is right even if others don't.

Like him.

Posted 2 years ago #
clubber - Member

there are people on there CONVINCED that Pres.Obama is an African-born Muslim dictator?????

He is, isn't he?

Posted 2 years ago #
muddydwarf - Member

I was actually pleasantly surprised by how articulate, intelligent and worldly some Americans are - a marked contrast to their frothing, quasi-illiterate redneck cousins i might add.
It seems that those with the least to say make the most noise, if foreigners take that (& other websites) as indicative of the US then many, many Americans must be deeply embarrassed.

I've actually posted links to STW in discussions on Topix when appropriate (MaFitz on the NHS thread is one such American) and believe it or not, they are astounded by how polite we all are when discussing things on here!

Gods forbid Americans use STW as a way of understanding the UK!!!

Posted 2 years ago #
GrahamS - Member

I think he does believe what he is saying, albeit pompously, and is sticking his neck out for what he thinks is right even if others don't.

Agreed, and I don't even think it was particularly pompous or self-aggrandising - just a good speech that clearly explained the decision.

Nor was it particularly "pro-devolution". Don't forget that Scots have had their own system of law since Roman times and the "Prisoners and Criminal Proceedings (Scotland) Act 1993" that Al-Megrahi has been released on, pre-dates devolution by five years.

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