Another racist yesterday

Edit – four pages and no pointless graphs. This place has changed 😥

Cougar – Moderator

It’s a BBC piece on “cultural appropriation”, you’ve added the “(racism)” bit yourself for dramatic effect.

Yes of course I did. I’m conflating cultural appropriation and racism in the same way that people conflate Trump voters with racists and Nazis, or the same way that people conflate Brexit voters with racists, xenophobes and Nazis.

The article I linked to has inspired you to write a tirade about what a load of bollocks it is. I agree with you. It is complete and utter bollocks.

But my point is that there’s assumption that articles like that are completely harmless and benign, but to criticize them is to be a Daily Mail reading, pc gone mad, racist. That link was posted a while back and went almost completely unchallenged, it was actually posted (perhaps tongue in cheek) to imply that Drac was somehow racist for posting a “black” gif.

We’ve also recently had people stating that all white men have unconscious racial bias and are inherently racist. No reaction. Oh and I posted that all gender was a result of socialisation just to see if anyone would disagree with me – not a sausage.

We’re in a downward spiral where people are actively hunting nazis of their own creation so that they can prove how virtuous they are and to disagree with the nazi hunters is to put yourself in their sights.

Oh look, its a thread where a load of white lads who have probably never faced any kind of racism are getting a little offended because someone has taken offence to their inalienable right to poke fun at another race, but in an oh so light hearted sitcom 70’s manner, because being “funny” about it makes it all alright.

Now all we need is a thread about those bloody women wanting something scandalous like equality and we’ll have the complete set.

You’re being very generous there – it is complete and utter bobbins.

I’m not sure if I’m agreeing with jimjam here, but just feel the need to point out that the fundamental here is Wheaton’s Law. If you’re not sure if you’re breaking Wheaton’s Law, then it’s better to be safe and stop.

Spot on. For me the middle ground is somewhere between Morris Men and people blacking up to act out Cool Runnings – Morris Men blacking up is completely reasonable, and anybody saying otherwise is breaking Wheaton’s Law, blacking up act out Cool Runnings is a bit dodgy. Though I’m happy to accept that some people think the Cool Runnings thing is OK – it doesn’t offend me, but I can understand how people are quite reasonably bothered by it (the context which I don’t think has been mentioned is that Cool Runnings is funny because black people don’t usually do bobsleighing, which makes it more problematic to black up for).

FWIW I’ve never experienced racism, but I do have a very good friend who is black and we tend to agree on stuff like this.

Reading this with interest as it’s in the next village along from us, we were going to go to the carnival but selling a MTB and buying a car got in the way.

We’ve also recently had people stating that all white men have unconscious racial bias and are inherently racist. No reaction. Oh and I posted that all gender was a result of socialisation just to see if anyone would disagree with me – not a sausage.

….there’s a reason for that, it’s clear bait and crap stinky bait at that…beyond the pale as my parents would say…or is that racist now!?

We’re in a downward spiral where people are actively hunting nazis of their own creation so that they can prove how virtuous they are and to disagree with the nazi hunters is to put yourself in their sights.

Now this I do agree with, we’ve reached a point where we (generally) have things so good that people are actively trying to equate language to violence in order to…i don’t know?…reorder the world according to their view?…suppress any kind of differing point of view?….the clamp down on language, thought, cultural appropriation etc is genuinely worrying because if there’s genuine good intent then it works both ways….take cultural appropriation for example, if a blonde woman with dreads is offensive then surely Asian and African people in western wear are doing the same thing and should be pulled up on it….which is ridiculous, surely we’re not heading backwards to a point where certain hair-dos, clothing or foods are considered exclusive to a particular group of people!?…and what’s most ridiculous about cultural appropriation is it’s not racist, the clue is in the title, culture and race are different…when on holiday in the Caribbean several years ago I went on a boat trip run by a white guy, he was born and raised in Jamaica, Caribbean culture was his culture, he even had a Caribbean accent and used the local dialect/patois…some people would at distance and without knowing his whole story scream racism or cultural appropriation…which is bollocks because everything about the Caribbean was his, born and bloody raised….more so than a black guy from the UK who’s never seen the Caribbean but describes himself as Afro-Caribbean…it has become ludicrous.

(while people boringly discuss what is and isn’t racist in this thread what’s going massively underreported is the theme of the carnival…movies…or is Cool Runnings off limits now?…is it even ok for a white man to watch it?… is it ok to laugh at a comedy containing black fellas?)

Ridiculous.

deviant

We’ve also recently had people stating that all white men have unconscious racial bias and are inherently racist. No reaction. Oh and I posted that all gender was a result of socialisation just to see if anyone would disagree with me – not a sausage.

….there’s a reason for that, it’s clear bait and crap stinky bait at that…beyond the pale as my parents would say…or is that racist now!?[/quote]

Not within the context of the threads. On the thread about the recent google memo the view that all gender except physical traits was a result of socialisation was posted multiple times to the point where it seemed to be the prevailing opinion. Now that is complete mince, totally at odds with science fact. And the unconscious racial bias thing has been brought up multiple times too.

the clamp down on language, thought, cultural appropriation etc is genuinely worrying because if there’s genuine good intent then it works both ways….take cultural appropriation for example, if a blonde woman with dreads is offensive then surely Asian and African people in western wear are doing the same thing and should be pulled up on it….which is ridiculous, surely we’re not heading backwards to a point where certain hair-dos, clothing or foods are considered exclusive to a particular group of people!?

100%. Imagine if art and culture was only allowed to look introspectively – how monolithic and distant would things be. Unsurprisingly this is only a sin if you are white. Imagine how racist it would be to insist that asians dress in traditional asian garb and only eat asian food.

I think we’re both singing from vaguely the same hymn sheet jimjam, which is good….tolerant even which is nice because a lot of the supposedly PC stuff floating around at the moment is exactly the opposite.. they preach tolerance while being intolerant themselves.

Personally, I think a backlash is coming…people are fed up of being told what to say, do and think…frankly I’m amazed it’s gone on consistently for the last 30 years, obviously some things were out of order and needed dragging into modern and more equal times but now people just seem to be looking for offence where none is intended or even taken by the supposedly targeted group!… the professionally offended as some might say, thankfully a lot of kids coming through now are far from indoctrinated with it, they are tired of it and want to speak their mind…call it the Alt-right, the Trump effect, the college campus tours in the US by Ben Shapiro and Milo Yianopoulis etc….but there is a definite feeling of (as rage against the machine famously sang) **** you I won’t do what you tell me.

deviant – Member

I think we’re both singing from vaguely the same hymn sheet jimjam, which is good….tolerant even which is nice because a lot of the supposedly PC stuff floating around at the moment is exactly the opposite.. they preach tolerance while being intolerant themselves.

Personally, I think a backlash is coming…people are fed up of being told what to say, do and think…frankly I’m amazed it’s gone on consistently for the last 30 years, obviously some things were out of order and needed dragging into modern and more equal times but now people just seem to be looking for offence where none is intended or even taken by the supposedly targeted group!… the professionally offended as some might say, thankfully a lot of kids coming through now are far from indoctrinated with it, they are tired of it and want to speak their mind…call it the Alt-right, the Trump effect, the college campus tours in the US by Ben Shapiro and Milo Yianopoulis etc….but there is a definite feeling of (as rage against the machine famously sang) **** you I won’t do what you tell me.

Well I think we’ve already seen the backlash. Trump, Brexit, the rise of identity politics and ideologues on both sides (and the widening chasm between perceived left and perceived right). Charles Murray put it best – people didn’t vote for Trump because of his policies, they voted for him to be their murder weapon.

The bar as to what constitutes a political incorrectness, misogyny, racism and even nazism is so comically low now that if you’re not all the way in, then you might as well be all the way out and get comfortable with being called those names.

Obviously a few twonks blacking up at a local parade isn’t a hate crime meriting a police investigation. It’s insensitive, stupid and ill advised but not hateful. Defend them in any way though and it’s proof of your unconscious racial bias and your privilege.

Where de white women at?

beyond the pale as my parents would say…or is that racist now!?

Not unless you can be racist about a wooden fence.

Supposedly you can be racist about a piece of slate used for writing on….blackboard, why not a fence?…i demand my right to be offended.

The bar as to what constitutes a political incorrectness, misogyny, racism and even nazism is so comically low now that if you’re not all the way in, then you might as well be all the way out and get comfortable with being called those names.

This.

Feeling victimised, snowflake?

Quite a simple rule, if you have to ask is this racist? it will be to someone.

aracer – Member

Feeling victimised, snowflake?

I can’t be victimised on account of all my white male privilege. We run the world don’t you know.

This is one of those non-stories that made me groan, and ties in well with the “are you proud to be British” thread. No… things like this are why I worry for the future of this country and just hope the UK that my kids grow up in finds some common sense and manages to silence the irrationally and perpetually (but not really) offended.