perhaps so, but a simple yes or no would help right now. unless you want to consider the 'i know' response, which you accept is based on belief. so can't really be knowledge.
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Is the UK a Christian Country?
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There is no spoon.
Ceci ne pas une cuillère.
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There is no yes or no answer - its a meaningless question as explained above
Mu is the only answer. The concept of "no god" is a meaningless one in a universe where there is no belief in gods.
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Mu is the only answer. The concept of "no god" is a meaningless one in a universe where there is no belief in gods.
Is the concept of no unicorns meaningless?and if the concept of "no god" is meaningless how come you can say "there is no god"
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CM - please stop with the partial quotes. Have a read thru what I have posted with an open mind.
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It's not a partial quote, you say there is no god, am I misrepresenting you? Do you in fact say there is a god?
Once i have accepted that I do not believe in god then there is only one possibility. There is no god.Posted 5 months ago # -
The concept of "no god" is a meaningless one in a universe where there is no belief in gods.
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I couldn't be arsed to read the thousand pages of BS, but i'd just like to say that i couldn't give a toss about religion, and don't care what other people think of it either.
A good bloke is a good bloke and a nob is a nob regardless.
Just don't tell me what i should think or believe, either way.
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CM - you don't actually want to understand my point do you?
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The concept of "no god" is a meaningless one in a universe where there is no belief in gods.
And you keep saying this like it is true, "no unicorns" is not meaningless just because folks don't believe in them
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CM - you don't actually want to understand my point do you?
If that were the case i'd have given up long ago. The reason i keep asking you these questions is because i want to understand your point
I think it is more likely that you don't want your point to be understood, hence red herrings about partial quotes evasion about knowledge / belief
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Cougar - Member
I do not have any belief in the concept of "no god" "No gods" is a meaningless concept to me
I don't think it's a meaningless concept. I think it's a weaselly one.
To acknowledge that there are no gods, you first have to acknowledge that gods exist and then say there aren't any. It's a theist point-scoring exercise.
My walrus tin analogy falls down on exactly this point, thinking about it. I already know(*) that walruses exist, the question is whether they exist in CM's biscuit tin (or whether none of them don't, or something). Perhaps instead we need to consider whether or not we know that there are no live unicorns in the tin.
(* - at least, I know beyond reasonable doubt; I've seen them on TV. They could be an elaborate hoax, but it's not likely).
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To acknowledge that there are no gods, you first have to acknowledge that gods exist and then say there aren't any. It's a theist point-scoring exercise.
but that's no true either, because we can all agree that unicorns don't exist
and furthermore you have already acknowledged that there is no god, many times. All we are trying to establish now is whether this is fact or opinion or belief
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there can be no god.
no way would any supreme being allow this mindless onanism to continue for 3 days.
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Charlie - you need to have a think about this - its a diffficutlt concept hard to put iworrds. You keep missing essintial bits out of the quotes - again here
CharlieMungus - Member
"The concept of "no god" is a meaningless one in a universe where there is no belief in gods."
And you keep saying this like it is true, "no unicorns" is not meaningless just because folks don't believe in them
a belief in the concept of no unicorns is meaningless unless yo accept unicorns could exist.
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I couldn't be arsed to read the thousand pages of BS, but i'd just like to say that i couldn't give a toss about religion, and don't care what other people think of it either.
Thank you so much for your valuable contribution!Posted 5 months ago # -
CM - you don't actually want to understand my point do you?
nothing worse tj
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and furthermore you have already acknowledged that there is no god, many times. All we are trying to establish now is whether this is fact or opinion or belief
I don't get why you now say the concept is meaningless
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Reread what I have said.
I do not believe in the existence of god. to believe that there is no god there would have to be a space for a god in my universe for god to be absent from.
No belief in god is not the same as belief in no god.
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Thank you so much for your valuable contribution!
Not a problem
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I reread this bit
I know there are no gods. Belief does not come into it.
No belief in god is not the same as belief in no god.
I know that, but it was you who saidOnce i have accepted that I do not believe in god then there is only one possibility. There is no god.
Which implies that one follows on from the other
For someone who says the phrase "no god" is meaningless, you sure use it a lot. If you think i am misquoting you please show me how
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What you two need is a pub, a couple of pints, and some comfy chairs.
Can we assume that you don't understand each other over a minor point, and discuss something interesting?
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What you two need is a pub, a couple of pints, and some comfy chairs.
I'm not sure. I've heard that no belief in pub is not the same as belief in no pub.
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So long as I don't have to believe in no beer, I'll risk it.
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This seems to be turning into some Newspeak, the word god has been delisted. there is no such word.
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the bible calls us unbelievers perhaps you could discuss that next?
Definition of UNBELIEVER
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: one that does not believe in a particular religious faith
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: one that does not believe : an incredulous person : doubter, skepticSo in essences does a non believer believe in not believing or do they just not believe.
Added humour points [ you can have experience points Cougar and by the barrell load if you summon bigger fish] for Meldrew pictures
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there can be no god.
no way would any supreme being allow this mindless onanism to continue for 3 days.
Haven't you realised that this is how god has wastes time, if you have been alive for all eternity i guess the little things can be amusing.
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Haven't you realised that the primary purpose of the internets are for onanism?
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So we agree then, God created the internet for onanism.
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i agree, you clearly don't.
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An 18 page thread eh ?
Who would have thought that a carpenter-philosopher could have stirred things up so much two thousand years later ?
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hope for you yet ernie
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Ah, I wish this had happened a couple of days ago... Today a muslim colleague received a christmas card from the Saudi ambassador to the UK. Wonder what that says to all the people that say "We celebrate christmas therefore we're a christian country"? The Saudis are going to be pissed off if they have to convert...
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