Yeah, but the election is May’s to lose and Corbyn’s to win. Following the status quo will not get Labour closer to the win.

and his reason for agreeing to the GE was “to put our case to the people”.

There’s his chance, and he’s backing off.

A mistake I feel.

Corbs thinks he can win by playing fair.

Imo he needs a few low blows! Demanding a debate for the people would be a winner and the red tops would go with it as well.

On the other hand the Greens/ Lib Dems/ Plaid/ SNP are as critical of Labour as of the Tories so if he was ona stage with them they’d gang up. Brexit etc.

As long as he doesn’t send Diane in to deputise! 😉

He should definitely be there and let ITV empty chair May,

It is quite cowardly of her but then we’ve seen how bad she is at relating to people, keeping? the public at arms length tru the campaign and look at her inability to get through dinner with Junker!

She’s weak and she knows it, wonder how much is fear of her own party? once it’s obvious to all that her Brexit has put us in the shitter then her colleagues will move swiftly to knife her in the back, they are far more efficient at that sort of stuff than labour, just ask Borris Johnson !

She’s weak and she knows it

Surely you mean she is strong and stable. How many times does she have to say it before you understand that it is the truth…

Goebells “Big Lie”

mattjg – Member

Why won’t Corbyn debate on TV?

He’s already won the only debate that matters, the one against Theresa May, by default. Now he’s in the position she was- he’s more likely to lose out in a debate with the smaller parties and they benefit more from having the platform. The difference is, he’s not the one to blink first so he loses less by not debating, it should just serve as a reminder that May bottled it. I think they need to spin it better tbh, it should be a chance to stick the knife into May and also talk the Lib Dems down as not really being rivals, but it’s basically a good decision.

^ This

If he / they aren’t prepared to coalesce to win enough seats to beat May, then he feels he needs to present Labour as the only alternative that can stop her getting her ‘overwhelming mandate’

So if in his mind it’s Tory vs Labour as the only choice, and the Tories won’t enter that particular race, why muddy the situation by seeing how good the others are.

I also saw a comment somewhere, but can’t find it now, about why anyone would vote LD if they are a Labour supporter (I also think it was NW who said it, not sure) – they should back their party.

I think tactical voting has to be employed. Frankly, it looks unlikely even with the recent swings that anyone else can gain a majority, so the next step to me is to make sure that May doesn’t get the ‘strong mandate’ that she feels she needs to do what the hell she pleases post Jun 8.

So much as i dislike tactical voting, this time round when the choice is really between ‘Give me a strong mandate’ or ‘Don’t give me a strong Mandate’ then it’s the sensible option. And if that can ultimately reduce the majority sufficiently (or even give us a hung parliament) then it’ll be worth it.

Corbyn will duck it because he’s not very good in those situations and also doesn’t want to have to deal with the SNP problem.

Something funny’s happening with voter registration, tactical voting and opinion polls.

Don’t know what, but something is.

Probably still a landslide for May, but something I don’t fully understand is going on

Perhaps the young are finally getting angry about the old stealing their future.

I wonder which camp I’m in.

May is a giant in comparison to Corbyn and has been a very very popular PM to date. Hence Strong and Stable.

@igm without the old the young wouldn’t exist and would have no future. Cultures like the Chinese rever the old for their wisdom, it seems here they think they know best ? BTW did you see the Tpries are now second to Labour amongst students having overtaken the Lib Dems.

Why won’t Corbyn debate on TV? I understand why May won’t, but Corbyn has all to gain and usually presents well.

1) Miliband was slaughtered by Sturgeon which directly lead to tactical voting against the Lib Dems in the West Country, Labour have plenty to lose. Tories are specifically referencing the danger of a Labour govt proppsed up by the SNP. The SNP are poison in the South for certain and imo the rest of England too.
2) Corbyn presents appallingly

1) What on earth is the logic at use there?SNP kills labour Lib dems suffer – I am going to have to see your working out there as it looks prima facie gibberish

2) begs the question of why may is so unwilling to wipe the floor with him seeing as the SNP will also be there to do the same

He wont as she wont [ be there] , it is that simple ; she wont as she is winning.

May only does what Lynton Crosby tells her to do. She’s hardly likely to do a TV debate when she won’t engage with anyone during her UK tour apart from the tory boys and girls who are being bussed in to each event. Perish the thought she’d actually answer a question from the electorate. No wonder jamba is such a fan.

BTW did you see the Tpries are now second to Labour amongst students having overtaken the Lib Dems.

Jamba – Yep. They are now up to a third of the support Labour have. 55% Labour, 18% Tory

On the old/young thing, you are I think into the old camp, I’m desperately pretending I’m still young. A lot of the young think the older generation sold them out, took the money from good jobs, pensions and house price rises and ran. Look at employment and types of employment too. Don’t underestimate the chances of the young turning against the old.

I demand the EU returns the keys to the scout huts and community halls into which they’re locking Mummy in order to interfere with our election.

Saw this in the Guardian today.

Supreme Leader Kim-Jong-May

Amusing.

I haven’t seen Corbyn meeting too many middle class voters ? Nope just wheeling him out in front of the party faithful, which is the norm for every party. We have already seen Farron come a cropper.

It’s going to be a poor night at the Local elections as turnout will be low and Tories / SNP are motivated to win target seats.

A month-ish to go the GE

A steller result for Labour 50 seat Tory majority
Expected result for Labour 100 seat Tory majority
A bad result for Labour 150 seat Tory majority

What matters for Labour is what they do next

“What matters for Labour is what they do next”

Deselect moderate Labour MPs like it’s going out of Fashion.

Unless JC uses an election loss as an excuse to resign, but I don’t think that will go down well with his following.

which is the norm for every party

#jambafact

young wouldn’t exist and would have no future

WTF does that actually mean??

An awful lot of the young feel the old are stealing their future. Your arrogance is feeding their anger & isolating them even further. I’d be very careful if I were you because they are the ones who’ll be looking after you…….

Furthermore, are you daring to suggest that the young should defer & doff their caps to the their elders because they know better by virtue of being older??

Get over yourself!

which is the norm for every party

No just the ones with really really awkward leaders

Maybot has been programmed to emulate the full range of human emotions, she’s just missing that vital spark

Farron hardly came a cropper, he dealt with a ranty OAP Brexiter quite well, we all know theres no reasoning with them 😉

Bloody foreigners interfering in our elections.

Unless your name is Rupert or Lynton, in which case, please interfere away, as Mummy clearly doesn’t have a clue.

In China the old may well be revered for their wisdom.

Here they are an enormous horde of ungrateful minging old ****, selfishly clinging on to their futile, piteous existences while they gobble up billions of NHS pounds each year in palliative care.. Sitting stubborn and full of venom in their one chair in a house stuffed full of empty rooms, with bank accounts stuffed full of cash, moaning to anyone that will listen because they have to pay for an incontinence pad..
So desperately bound to the irrelevant comforts of the past, so befuddled by the present that they are prepared to steal the futures of their grandchildren..

**** ’em

The old get old, the young get stronger.

Lifer – Member
The old get old, the young get stronger.

Or they (young) follow the Darwin process all over again … 😆

Very good tweet story regarding Strong and Stable here retweeted by @davidallengreen who speaks sense regarding brexit, unlike jamba/ninfan/chewy who spout bile and shite

Great link somafunk. An explicit summary of the problem

Good link @somafunk.

Also, far more simplistically. IMO they’re sticking to a strapline based on what happened in the Brexit vote. The leave campaign had a strong ‘take back control’ mantra. They’re copying that successful tactic.

retweeted by @davidallengreen who speaks sense regarding brexit, unlike jamba/ninfan/chewy who spout bile and shite

Can I just check, is that the same David Allen Green who confidently spent months predicting that article 50 would never be triggered?

@nifan. Who doesn’t get the political predictions wrong?

If not reading commentators who get it wrong was the basis for your knowledge accumulation you’d limit your own knowledge base and get it wrong too..makes you think hey.. 😀

Interesting link soma funk, but is that wee story really representative of the UK, or a tale seen through the eyes of a privileged middle class white boy?
Difficult for me to tell (I’m foreign), but growing up in the 60’s and 70’s we had an awful lot of immigrants from the UK fleeing what they felt was a pretty shit life.

FWIW, I think every generation is going to complain about how good life was for their parents.

“Here they are an enormous horde of ungrateful minging old ****, selfishly clinging on to their futile, piteous existences while they gobble up billions of NHS pounds each year in palliative care.. Sitting stubborn and full of venom in their one chair in a house stuffed full of empty rooms, with bank accounts stuffed full of cash, moaning to anyone that will listen because they have to pay for an incontinence pad..
So desperately bound to the irrelevant comforts of the past, so befuddled by the present that they are prepared to steal the futures of their grandchildren..
**** ’em”

You’re saying *they* are full of venom?

I know a fair few old people, they all seem really nice to me.

FWIW, I think every generation is going to complain about how good life was for their parents.

Being as this is the first generation where the young will be worse off than their parents it’s a new one is the it.

As for older people try suggesting a 50% drop in house prices and see the reaction…. People worked hard to see an asset grow for no serious investment.

UKIP totalled in the locals and Labour down but not I think as much as the polls might suggest.

Early days wait for the full results and analysis, but this might just be very interesting.

Being as this is the first generation where the young will be worse off than their parents it’s a new one is the it.

Pretty specious comment there Mike.
Which generation are you referring to- give me a range of birthdates.
What population- UK, western world,the whole world?
What’s worse off really mean?

30 somethings

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/revealed-30-year-economic-betrayal-dragging-down-generation-y-income
http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/generation-less-why-young-people-are-worse-off-than-their-parent/7320370
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/18/millennials-earn-8000-pounds-less-in-their-20s-than-predecessors
Housing that requires a double income, end of final salary pensions, end of student grants and introduction of fees, higher taxes and vat, higher living costs, less job security etc. It’s not a hard equation.

“Pretty specious comment there Mike.
Which generation are you referring to- give me a range of birthdates.
What population- UK, western world,the whole world?
What’s worse off really mean?”

This. Even if u limit it to the UK, I doubt the people who had to fight in WW1 thought their parents were worse off. …and then how do you measure ‘better off’. My grandparents didn’t have 21st century healthcare, a smart phone, Amazon and free porn.

If you needed older generations don’t get what’s going on with younger generations it’s there. Smart phones make up for no pension and unobtainable housing.

I nicked this from reddit, because…..its hilarious 🙂

Paul Nuttall feebly tries to attach his harness as his once-airworthy plane plummets to earth. He feels a strong yet firm, stable hand on his shoulder cautioning him to stop. He looks up, it’s Theresa May.

May: [raspily] No! They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother!

Nuttall’s expression seems to be conflicted, in the length of a single breath he contemplates the finality of death, the worthiness of his cause and the cruelty of fate. He steels himself, and his gaze meets May’s.

Nuttall: Have we started the fire?

May: [muffled] Yes, the fires rises.

May hurriedly attaches a harness around a hysterical Douglas Carswell who is kicking up a fuss about being injected with the Conservative party line direct from a drip attached to the long-dead corpse of John Major.

May: [wheezing with great difficulty] Calm down Douglas, now is not the time for fear- that comes later.

Carswell only shrieks louder as May activates the winch and they are both wrenched high into the air. Below them the UKIP plane is seen plummeting to earth, Nuttal still strapped inside.

The camera switches to a view of Carswell and May swinging precariously mid-air with their winch attached to a large aircraft with a Conservative logo on the side. After several seconds an explosion is heard but not seen….

Fin…