http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Ape#History_of_hominoid_taxonomy
Just to clear up the use of the term "ape". It's not very scientific and Biolgists used to use it as a term to differentiate between hominids and the other primates. So our friend did not make a "biology" fail.
8000 years of antisocial behaviour
"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"
Plato, 4th Century BC
Yes moving to a better place is a good idea and yes if we look at the dark ages and other periods of useless idiocy, we can say now is better. That argument has reflections of the look at other places in the world the UK is a good place to live argument.
Maybe not a fail on the biology front, but the history is a little off - or at least outdated. "Dark ages"? Try reading a bit, you could do worse than to start with "In Search of the Dark Ages" by Michael Wood.
been doing a bit of reading, Google is good for something, found references to Sumerian texts and their account of the flood and the fall of mankind. Which for anyone with a reasonable understanding of ancient history won't be surprised to learn are reasonably similar to later Greek and Hebrew texts.
So that takes the literal record of "yesterday was better" to c 3000 to 2000BC. ie 4-5000 years ago.
If we want to look sideways consider why so many of the existing tribal cultures practice some form of ancestor worship, it does suggest a belief that the ancestors are more knowledgable, that they are in the position to offer some guidance, I don't believe it is a huge step to take to argue that the idea of deference to the past generations might mutate into the belief that the world they lived in was better, that the lives were longer, the weather better, etc.
I think the idea of the past being better falls into the category of the summers of our childhood were hotter, the winters snowier. It is quite incredible how falible the human memory can be whilst being perfectly correct, by that i mean we recall exactly those things that suit our argument and forget those things that do not. So yes there are feral kids now and in the past there were times there were not, but there are times now when there are no feral kids and times in the past when there were. Your memories suit what you want to believe.
kaesae, interesting post. Who's to say thay humanity is all moving in the same direction?
Cultures and societies vary greatly, and diferent traits and values will be succesful in different ones. Your idea of "consious devolution", if it is possible, may not be all encompassing.
Can a species diverge into two or more by evolution, if different groups in different locations go in different directions?
"the idea of the past being better has always been a part of human existence"
Societies rise, and they fall. The evils that plagued the ancients, plague humanity now. As a species have we not become better than our ancestors? Probably not. Nor worse.
I do enjoy kaesae's posts: always a bit bonkers but always thought provoking.
Bonkers 
I've graduated to being bonkers woohooo!
I is officially bonkers 
I'd like to thank my mouth for helping me eat, my lungs for helping me breath and my ASS! for helping me not be too full of shit 
There have always been feral, uncivilised/conditioned people, however can anyone name a period in the history of our race, when there have been quite so many 
Hmmm. Yes. Well.
What does "spiritual" mean, exactly?
however can anyone name a period in the history of our race, when there have been quite so many
Well, i have heard it said that there are more Humans currently alive than have ever died, so in absolute terms, yes there probably are more $hits running round. As a propotion of the population, same as ever.
However if you look at the attitude and behaviour of people from say the 50's when technology wasn't essential or wide spread and then follow it through to the 60's 70's 80's 90's then 2000's too now, for me there is a distinct shift in attitude/philosophy and subsequent bevaviour
I think things have improved massively.
* Racism, whilst still exists, is far less normalised and generally seen as being 'bad thing' nowadays.
* Unlike the 50s, women aren't expected to give up work and start popping out kids as soon as they get married. They don't even have to get married! Rape and domestic violence within marriage are now illegal, unlike in the 50s.
* Gay people are legally allowed to have relationships
I feel that as a nation, we've come on a long way over the past 60 years.
There have always been feral, uncivilised/conditioned people, however can anyone name a period in the history of our race, when there have been quite so many
Can you name one where there hasn't?
There's two differences these days I think. Firstly, we're so much better at reporting "antisocial behaviour" and various other social crimes these days, so it feels like we're up to the fetlocks in feral kids, paedophiles, rapists and all the rest when we're probably just catching more (and the media are so very quick to splash newspaper-selling headlines at the first sniff of an angle).
Secondly, I think it's considerably harder for kids these days when we take delight in expending so much energy telling them that they're feral scumbags who'll never amount to anything. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, you've only got yourself to blame.
And as an aside, non of this has anything to do with spiritualism. People are moral (or amoral) despite doctrine, not because of it.
kaesae.. I love you and that's all that matters
I feel that as a nation, we've come on a long way over the past 60 years
Quick look on the interwebs suggests otherwise...
UK oesophageal cancer rate is worst in Europe
Worst place to live in Europe
Biggest binge-drinking/alcohol abuse problem in Europe
Biggest teenage pregnancy problem in Europe
Biggest obesity problem in Europe
Worst teenage drug issue in Europe
Worst quality of life in Europe
Amongst worst in Europe for ageism & care of the elderly
And, er, worst in Europe for broadband throttling 
Yep, we've come far ...
UK oesophageal cancer rate is worst in Europe
Worst place to live in Europe
Biggest binge-drinking/alcohol abuse problem in Europe
Biggest teenage pregnancy problem in Europe
Biggest obesity problem in Europe
Worst teenage drug issue in Europe
Worst quality of life in Europe
Amongst worst in Europe for ageism & care of the elderlyAnd, er, worst in Europe for broadband throttling
Yep, we've come far ...
And the figures 60 years ago were? remember we had just some out of the second world war, rationing was still in place (finished in 1954), just undertaking a major rebuilding program to rebuild the destroyed housing stock, TB still widespread, etc, etc.
Worst... in Europe
Now compare Europe to most of the rest of the world and get back to us 
No, not compared with 1939-45, or the middle ages, or even outside Barbarella's in the 70s.
Would that be Barbarella's in Plymouth?
Yes,move to a better area.The problem is the scum seem to be able to afford to run a car on their social security handouts so can now travel to blight other areas once they have trashed their own.
These people have no respect at all for anyone else or the living environment.
But what "role models" do they have?
Foul mouthed multi millionaire footballers,obnoxious so called celebrities, and the greedy institutions which now run our economy.
Theres only one word to describe all this - Koyaanisqatsi
These people have no respect at all for anyone else or the living environment.
But what "role models" do they have?
Foul mouthed multi millionaire footballers,obnoxious so called celebrities, and the greedy institutions which now run our economy.
is the horrific sense of shame they would feel if they stooped to your level..
they see the law abiding tax payer's "role models" as being foul mouthed multi millionaire footballers, obnoxious so called celebrities, and the greedy institutions which now run our economy.. and nothing could be more abhorrent to them than buying into the whole turgid system and conforming to that odious stereotype..
in my experience..
ironic innit..?
Shame ?.They seem to be proud of how many ASBO's they've got.
Seen the pics of the looting in London during the riots ?
The low life were even proud of nicking a bag of Basmati !
I could never stoop to their level.Trackie bottoms do nothing for me !
Sorry kaesae didn't mean to risk offence - I didn't say you were bonkers, just your chat posts! I do find some of your posts really off-the-wall, but always entertaining and always thought provoking. And that's what matters.
@buzz-lightyear no offence I was just mucking about, humour is essential for keeping stress levels down, plus I am happy to be thought of as bonkers, I am also thankful that I have an ass 
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