My money is on midway through the World Cup, just after England go out on penalties and Cameron will do a Cameron which will involve making a lot of his arms dealing cronies very rich.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2014/06/us_aircraft_carrier_george_h_w.html

So, the US are moving an aircraft carrier into the persian gulf just incase they have to go to war again.

Love to know what Army they will be sending if the UK get involved.. We have none. And they have just had another round of redundancies this week…

Before an election ?- never. He’ll just use this current situation to slaughter Labour.
That prat Milliband will have no answer. After all Blair is a war criminal. No weapons were found and I dread to think how many have died so far.

Hmm – now there’s a thought. If the UK goes to war, how would that impact on the referendum?

Won’t happen.

We won’t go anywhere near it, we are skint, we wouldn’t be in Afghan if it wasn’t for our promise and contract.

No more chance of British troops being sent to Iraq than there was Syria. It would be political suicide.
It’s worth pointing out that there just happen to be a pair of B-52’s, and a pair of B2 Spirit bombers, along with a bunch of other jets, at RAF Fairford, which the US ‘mothballed’ as an operating base several years ago.
B2’s never operate away from their base in Missouri, but these two are, allegedly, taking part in ‘exercises’.
Make of that what you will.
What with there being Russian tanks invading Ukraine’s borders, and ISIS rampaging all over the desert…

He’ll just use this current situation to slaughter Labour.

How will he “slaughter” Labour ?

This is a man who not only fully supported the drive to war but continued to wholeheartedly support it, even after it had become patently obvious that it was a disastrous mistake built on lies.

Before an election ?- never.

Going “into” Iraq. I would imagine special forces are all over the place right now.

It appears that there are three B52’s at Fairford;
USAF Deploys B52 and B2 Strategic Bombers to UK

Cameron can’t ‘ do a Blair’ as he has at least a semblance of a legitimate reason to go and won’t have to go to the effort of falsifying evidence and lying through his teeth.

He won’t go in though and nor will the talks in any significant way. There is no end game here that the west can contribute to through military action.

Western democracy works for Western cultures but it just it’s not culturally compatible with Middle Eastern cultures so all we can do is let them sort out themselves out.

They had an expert on the Middle East on R4 the other day and he likened the current situation to the 30 year war that was fought in Europe over similarly religious grounds in the 1700’s. We are ten years into this so this has a very long way to go unfortunately.

it will be bizarre, the US fighting on the same side as Iran.

I work in Wiltshire – saw a stealth bomber fly over the other day! Regularly see chinooks and Hercules going to lyneham, but this is the first b2 I’ve ever seen. Insert wild speculation here…

America has assembled a special bomber strike force in Great Britain

the US fighting on the same side as Iran.

Wouldn’t be the first time – both Iran and the US fought the Taliban. And in Iraq both countries were keen to see the back of Saddam Hussein. And the Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki, who has the support of the US, owes his life and political career to Iran.

Is airpower really going to have any useful effect on ISIS other than further alienating people with the collateral damage?

Comparisons with the 30 years war seem optimistic though perhaps the 100 years war is closer.

I would believe there already there
World war 3 no don’t think so but probably more Terrorist attacks.

Whatever happens lots of people will be killed, arms companies will make billions profit and politicians will escape scot free.

As long as emerdale eastenders on coronation street with casuallty is on the tv, most of the general public want care about foreigners being killed in far off places.

iolo – Member
Before an election ?- never. He’ll just use this current situation to slaughter Labour.
That prat Milliband will have no answer. After all Blair is a war criminal. No weapons were found and I dread to think how many have died so far.

eh? enough labour MPs (over a third of em) voted again against the war that it only got through because 90% of the tories voted for invading iraq, Ed wasnt an MP then and dave…….

Conservative leader David Cameron has said he still believes going to war with Iraq was the right thing to do.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5108584.stm

Maybe it’s time to adjust some borders.

Maybe it is time to not invade in Gulf War II

Let Blair, Cheaney and Bush sort it out …

Maybe it’s time to adjust some borders.

It took a British colonial administrator a lot of time, a great deal of thought, and a ruler, to draw some of those nice straight borders Iraq has. I’m sure he wouldn’t appreciate all that hard work being rubbed out and redone.

So will ISIS charge more or less for crude?

An American (former) military professional’s view – worth the read.

http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/06/absolutely-nothing.html?m=1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27852832 – you keep telling yourself that Mr Blair. That bloke is an utter tosspot…

Lets not forget Labour supporters votes Blair in.

What struck me about Tony Blair’s “analysis” of the situation is just how easily he is prepared to lie and deliberately misinform.

Like a psychopath who fails to distinguish right from wrong Tony Blair appears to make no distinction between reality and his own little fantasy world of lies.

The whole piece is a concoction of lies and deliberate and calculated misinformation from start to finish, but probably one of the most barefaced and easily disproved lie is this comment he makes :

“What we now know from Syria is that Assad, without any detection from the West, was manufacturing chemical weapons. We only discovered this when he used them.”

Syria has had chemical weapons for decades (it initially required them to redress the balance with nuclear-armed Israel – their version of the MAD doctrine) Everyone knew that Syria had chemical weapons, even I, a building worker from Croydon with no access to classified information knew that Syria had chemical weapons, and long before the “Arab Spring”.

So you would have thought that the “Middle East Peace Envoy” with his keen interest in Middle Eastern political affairs and “potential threats from WMDs” would have known that Syria had chemical weapons. He only had to pick a newspaper such as the Daily Telegraph and read all about. From before the Arab Spring :

Syria ‘rebuilding’ chemical weapons capability

Quote :

Syria has maintained stockpiles of chemical weapons, including Sarin gas and blister agents, for decades. But satellite images from two operators, GeoEye and DigitalGlobe, appeared to show significant efforts to update known facilities.

Of course Tony Blair knew just like everyone else that Assad had chemical weapons long before they were allegedly used, but saying “We only discovered this when he used them” fits in nicely into the point he’s trying to make and he’s not going to let the fact that it’s a complete lie spoil his argument.

The rest of his drivel can be equally demolished but he lacks credibility so much that it’s really not worth the effort imo. Sufficient to just say that the tosser is an unrepentant warmonging liar of psychopathic proportions.

hora – Member

Lets not forget Labour supporters votes Blair in.

Actually he couldn’t have done it without substantial support from many traditional Tory supporters, that’s committed traditional Tory supporters such as Rupert Murdoch who were particularly keen to support Tony Blair. Many traditional Labour voters only reluctantly supported him.

Let’s not forget that.

Reluctantly?

Sorry he had the unions, labour supporters behind and the swing/marginal voters.

You cant distance yourself from Brown and Blair. Labour caused the recession and 100, 000’s of innocent deaths fella

Fishing expedition today Hora ?

Sorry he had the unions

Yes of course, Blair’s close relationship with the unions is well known 🙂

Labour caused the recession

The global recession had nothing to do with the bankers then ?

I think you live in a simular fantasy world of lies as Blair hora.

No Labour did. Brown was warned as far back as 2001 and repeardly since then. The Banks werent controlled or reigned in by Government. The headline figures looked good.

Boom and bust. Post bust…. labour wanted us to spend our way out of recession. Wtf

oldnpastit – Member
Is airpower really going to have any useful effect on ISIS other than further alienating people with the collateral damage?

Well, in order to get from city to city, ISIS have to drive across open desert in convoys of pickup trucks armed with large caliber machine guns and rocket launchers.
Dropping a series of fuel-air bombs along the line of the convoys would probably maximise damage with the minimum amount of weaponry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgQIPPZWLd8&sns=em[/video]

Like a psychopath who fails to distinguish right from wrong Tony Blair appears to make no distinction between reality and his own little fantasy world of lies.

Absolutely spot on. As far as he’s concerned, he did exactly the right thing and probably can’t understand why people don’t agree with him. In some respects I think it’s closer to a mental illness than a desperate desire to invade the rest of the world.

I now only support military action when the politicians offer to lead the charge.

Jeez…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27858692

1/3 of the 9/11 casualties, will be interesting to see how folk react.

Irrespective of why we went to war a second time, it will be quite saddening to see all the work our troops did turn to shit. Vehicles travelling through open desert could easily be taken out with air support and a few of our special forces to guide them. Would be surprised if the SAS weren’t already there on some capacity. I imagine Afghanistan will suffer the same fate in years to come.

It will take at least 3 generations to calm things down a bit to “normality” in that part of the world but I think it is actually the beginning of a bigger war.