@easygirl – I have also run through a few reports, medical journals, physics papers etc and I can honestly say that I haven’t found one case where an innocent person who has been wrongly executed being successfully resurrected either.

I have however (and admittedly the cases are few compared to the number of convictions handed out each year) found evidence of *some* people who were convicted of one offence not re-offending (and the the fact that a high % do is as much to do with the criminal justice system than anything else but that’s opening a whole new can of gassed worms…).

Cheers

Danny B

@easygirl – I have also run through a few reports, medical journals, physics papers etc and I can honestly say that I haven’t found one case where an innocent person who has been wrongly executed being successfully resurrected either.

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Did you check the Bible? Some funny business went on in there.

I haven’t found one case where an innocent person who has been wrongly executed being successfully resurrected either

It’s happened on here after a wrongful conviction : Junkyard – lazarus

Either Easygirl is trolling – ban hammer please mods – or, if she really is a copper, she should be removed from her post immediately.

She’s the kind of Daily Mail person that makes this country uncivilised.

Thank goodness some on here talk sense.

So the problem is: evidence levels.
So if we had 100% evidence that someone committed murder, would that justify the death penalty?

Barry George signed a statement that he did do it.
That worries me that even with an admission of guilt, we/law can still make a mistake.

Bad Police give the rest a bad a name. I don’t know any upstanding people who trust them. I’m just glad there are police like easygirl who go above and beyond.

We need strict punishment and longer sentences if only to protect the public. We should start with schools and target unruly students-educate/punish/help them before they grow up to be criminals.

That old pensioner could be any one of us.
They targeted him. They didn’t need to kill him.

Not one single dead criminal re offended

I’d still need to see some graphs and a pie chart to be convinced. It all seems just too simple to be true….

Plus there’s that bloke Jesus who got done for hassling Atheists with some religious mumbo jumbo after he’s been supposedly crucified. If that’s not proof that even killing isn’t good enough for some people, I don’t know what is. I suspect he was claiming job seekers allowance as well and not even looking for a job 24/7!

Listen folks,
I know that there will never be a death penalty in the u.k, and agree that the big problem with it are unsafe convictions.
BUT in all seriousness, the people who murder, assault, rape people whilst robbing them, predatory paedophiles, who target children as young as 2, and do unspeakable sexual acts to them, need keeping in prison for ever.
Sorry for the previous posts, most of it was sincere, but some opinions on here are so skewed that I despair .

Relax easygirl, many do see your point.

Nobody ever agrees on stw!

But it was good to see both sides of the argument.

We all agree that the death penalty is not the answer due to innocent being wrongly convicted.

But prison is not just punishment or reforming values.

It’s about protecting the innocent from the scum that easygirl mentioned.

Now where to get the money to build more prisons…

if she really is a copper

He isn’t even a girl 😐

Although quite possibly easy – I wouldn’t know.

We don’t need more prisons – crime has declined by 50% since 1995.

We’ve never been safer, despite what the tabloids want you to believe.

Ernie,
I’m no ladee
I am a police officer, sgt in g.m.p

Definitely guilty, just ask the experts…

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/scandal-for-american-justice-fbi-could-be-at-fault-in-27-death-row-cases-8718135.html

Doesn’t the cost of Death Row now match the cost of locking up someone for life (actual life at that)?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/#.Uejva8u9KSM

We’ve never been safer, despite what the tabloids want you to believe.

we’ve just traded fear of crime for fear of immigrants roaming the streets, taking our jobs, ignoring our religions and generally being slightly different…..

Anyone accused of these crimes (whether actually guilty or not) should be put down as they are a thoroughly bad egg, having been involved in lots of other undetected crimes over the years.

Of course not, they could be run through the court of STW, Judge TJ presiding.

we’ve just traded fear of crime for fear of immigrants roaming the streets, taking our jobs, ignoring our religions and generally being slightly different…..

Keep the population permanently scared, it makes them easier to control.

if we kill everyone there will be no crime

quite

@easygirl – how to you ensure, 100% in every case, that the person is guilty?..

Well while we’re on state vengeance. If the court system gets a death conviction wrong the prosecution team, investigating officers and judge should all suffer the same fate as the wrongly convicted.

Such a system would act as a deterrent to those who want to “fit up” someone to ensure their clean-up rate is maintained.

So to summarise.

It doesn’t work as a deterrent.
It kills an unacceptable number of innocent people.
It’s more expensive than locking them away for the remainder of their natural lives.
Even without it crime has been declining.

But it’s great for a bit of vengeance.

A public health perspective on the death penalty has clearly shown in journals that the use of the death penalty increases violent crime – possibly due to reducing societal value for life and the encouragement of revenge.

Secondly, one innocent life taken through the death penalty is not “collateral” damage in the name of protecting society. It’s an unacceptable tragedy.

Thirdly, the death penalty incurs more costs to the legal system.

If we have so many thugs according to easygirl, then perhaps we should start dealing with the root cause of the problems instead of resorting to reactionary measures that do not work.

Remember guys, 50 percent of the population have an IQ below 100 and those people would probably be totally fine with watching Charlie Brooker style reality tv shows where people are put to death for the braying blood lust of the crowd.

Tom
Please don’t insult a group of professional people who give much of their life to protecting people like you.
Calling police officers uniformed chavs is deeply offensive.
Please apologise

P.s get your facts straight, I never said we have many thugs, get someone to read the posts back to you, I said the criminals are a small minority of people

Calling police officers uniformed chavs is deeply offensive.

Yes! Threats now! Do the police do that to journalists and political enemies as well? Oh wait, yes they do. Haha.

However I deleted the comment for you. I apologise, it was out of line.

Easygirl, it’s perfectly acceptable for you to be in favour of the death penalty – distasteful and wrong, but you’re entitled to that view.

What’s deeply worrying are your comments about how, even if someone was innocent of one crime, they were obviously guilty of something else and still deserved it. It’s exactly that “he’s a wrong ‘un” attitude that leads to miscarriages of justice, and I truly hope you don’t let that kind of attitude influence your policing.

Just for the other guys on the forum, I just got threatened with surveillance by easygirl to make my life hell.

Perfect example of why GCHQ/Prism are incompatible with democracy and the comment hints at the kind of policing seen in Brazil where the police are considered to be no better than the gangs that run the favelas.

This is how political corruption starts lads.

Oh yeh, some editing been done methinks

Tom
It was a joke for gods sake!
Ben,
Think this has all been blown out of proportion, I am not in favour of the death penalty, I am in favour of full life sentences for the horrific crimes that are committed each year in this country.
Crimes that you will see on T.V and say “that’s terrible, how awful”
Then 10 minutes later it will be out of your mind.
I see it up close and personal, I go to scenes of horrific incidents , I have had relatives of murder victims vomiting all over me when they found out what had happened to their loved ones.
I’ve seen close up the total disregard that some criminals have for victims, the callous uncaring, dark side of people.
With the greatest of respect , you cannot begin to imagine the horrors involved in some murder cases, some sexual offence cases, its a wonder I’m still here with some of the stuff I’ve seen.
I think I’m qualified through these experiences to give my opinions on crime and criminals, and to be fair I’m getting a bit sick of the negative attitudes against ALL police officers on this forum.
Some contributors regularly call ALL police liars, cheats, bullies,etc etc.
This I find deeply offensive, there are some liars , cheats, and bullies in the police, there are some in the jobs that you work in.It dosent mean that every single software developer is a scrawny geek, wearing oversize glasses, and living with his parents, can you see what I mean. I’ve taken a generalisation, which is wrong on the first place, and then applied it to every single software developer.
It’s just plain wrong what people do on this forum, but then again it makes me smile, because there must be some very uneducated people , who believe that all police officers are bad

What’s deeply worrying are your comments about how, even if someone was innocent of one crime, they were obviously guilty of something else and still deserved it. It’s exactly that “he’s a wrong ‘un” attitude that leads to miscarriages of justice, and I truly hope you don’t let that kind of attitude influence your policing.

I suspect this is pretty endemic in policing. You can’t spend your whole life surrounded by criminals and not become affected by it. This is exactly why the Police don’t have the power to decide to prosecute people, hence the creation of the CPS. Prior to the formation of the CPS, framing people, or just prosecuting them for the hell of it, was far more common.

Good, that’s a much better clarification of your views 😉

Isn’t it worrying, however, that even among scrawny IT geeks the police don’t seem to have a brilliant reputation? Something has gone very wrong with policing to turn “normal” people against it so much.

easygirl – Member
Thing is, if we had the death penalty, we could kill both of these scum, and they would not be able to kill anymore innocent people. Forget all the do gooders, and bullllshitt about we are better than the death sentance.

I am not in favour of the death penalty

There may be a reason for some confusion with your stance on capital punishment.

Spending your whole life surrounded by criminals is awful, it sucks the good out of a lot of police officers, it drains their souls, it surrounds you in a shroud of darkness that they feel they can’t escape from.
It make good people bad, and bad people evil, that’s what it does to some officers, I’ve seen it on several,occasions.
It’s a hard life being a police officer, a repetitive merry go round of the dark side of life, the underbelly of society that most people want to ignore, leaving it to the police.Then when something goes wrong, its blame the police time.

It dosent mean that every single software developer is a scrawny geek, wearing oversize glasses, and living with his parents, can you see what I mean

I’ll agree with this, some of them are chubby geeks that live with their parents.

Im going to bow out of this discussion now.
Thanks to those that saw the irony in my posts, sorry to offend those who didn’t

Spending your whole life surrounded by criminals is awful, it sucks the good out of a lot of police officers, it drains their souls, it surrounds you in a shroud of darkness that they feel you can’t escape from.
It make good people bad, and bad people evil, that’s what it does to some officers,

I don’t doubt that for a second! Not a job I envy.

Tom
It was a joke for gods sake!

Oh well… I still e-mailed a snapshot to The Grauniad, The New York Times, Wikileaks, Shami Chakrabarti, the CPS, my lawyer, UNODC, the ECHR and a few others. You know, just in case I get dragged out of my house on terrorism charges at dawn tomorrow.

I’m joking.

Also you’re not all bad the chav insult was a step to far, my champagne socialist sensibilities just took offence to some of the stuff being said about karma – it doesn’t do your profession any good to be speaking like that about people.

Oh Christ, no shami
Now I am scared

Easygirl – Doctors and nurses have to put up with old people shitting and pissing themselves whilst screaming at the staff and their families giving them verbal abuse, yet society criticizes doctors and nurses when they become so dehumanized they fail to do their jobs properly…..it’s not just the police who get it in the neck. However it’s the publics right really to expect good quality care, after all they are the tax payer. Do you see where I am going with this?

It seems like you’ve been pretty horrified by what you’ve seen at work? Do you guys get good mental health care? Eg force shrinks etc (they aren’t all that bad). Health care workers are prone to getting things like PTSD so I bet it’s similar in the police force.

Take care, I feel a bit bad after reading some of the stuff you’ve described.

Oh Christ, no shami
Now I am scared

P.S. Try to take peace in the fact that many of us picked depressing as **** dark vocations with no thanks from the public.