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I'm about to be screwed… the question is how hard? THC content content.
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JunkyardFree Member
The feeling better will take time but getting away from any kind of dependancy/addiction is a good thing
Given the ease with which he has stopped and the complete lack of consequences what has made you think he is dependent or addicted?
He doesn’t think this now or thenFWIW I was surprised, decades ago, when i stopped as to how little difference it actually made. I did more but that was about it.
Not everyone who takes pot is an addict anymore than everyone who drinks is an alcoholic
gofasterstripesFree MemberWell, the womble above looks to me the product of too much ‘special fudge’ 😛
Good luck Alps and well done for remembering to update us 😉
kimbersFull Membergiving up weed wasnt too tough for me
I was a daily smoker (no fags only spliffs) for many years, then found out wife was pregnant, it took a few weeks of imbibimg less (also only smoking outside helped once found out about pregnancy)I think the tobacco addiction was much much tougher to shrug off than the cannabis, also missed meeting my dealer, skinning up, the ritual of it all etc
it was 6 years ago, I kind of miss weed, but with kids I cant really drink much or get high these days, as Im too busy
Im sure its helped my mtbing, I now race a lot more
I must say one of the things I miss is watching scary/ thinky TV/ films, I dont go wooooow man thats freaky/cool/deep etc any more 😀
ulysseFree MemberI must say one of the things I miss is watching scary/ thinky TV/ films, I dont go wooooow man thats freaky/cool/deep etc any more
Acid was always better for that though, ‘specially microdots… 😀
Straightheads. They always seem to be the most pathetic specimens among us
alpinFree MemberThanks peeps…
Agree, the tobacco thing seems to have more of a grip. Although if no one around me is smoking I don’t think of doing so either.
True, that Kimberley, my consumption of TV documentaries has slumped.
The biggest inconvenience of it all is not being able to smoke when I want to, but obviously that is kinda the idea, I guess.
alpinFree Memberthought i would give an update…..
last week i finally recieved the test results for my THC levels. obvioulsy i wasn’t as avid a stoner as i had feared. the result came in at 3ng/ml (the limit being 4ng/ml).
this means that i’ll have a 500€ fine (plus some handling fee of ~30€) and a 30 day driving ban.
think i dodged a bullet.
unfortunately i’m not in the clear as yet. it is likely that the DVLA equivalent will come knocking wanting me to complete a MPU course. MPU stands for “Medizinisch-Psychologische Untersuchung”, basically Medical-psychological assessment. this includes testing either my hair or piss for 3-6 months and talking to a psychologist about my problems (again!).
whether or not i have to do this will be at the discretion of one of the persons at the town hall. i might get lucky and the person dealing with my case thinks “ach, scheiss drauf… it is his first offence/ he is an ausländer/ it’s not enough ng/ml to worry about/ i myself smoke weed/used to be a hippy”…. or they are some “Dipfalscheißa” (bavarian for being anal about things) and think “meine Götte… das geht ja gar nicht” and they want to use the system to screw with me.have a friend who thought everything was settled until the town hall people got in touch and made me do the MPU for over a year…. 😕
the MPU course is likely to cost me between 500-2000€. as far as i understand it i can still drive whilst doing the course.
the other oddity is that i can decide when the 30 day ban should begin. not sure if this is the case in the UK. the GF and i are off for 3.5 weeks over New Year so will hopefully be able to have it begin mid December without too much of an impact on my work.
Incidently, i’ve not had a smoke-smoke for over three months now, despite occasionally being surrounded by others that have. if i’m honest, it hasn’t been that hard to not smoke. (which seems to be a problem with the MPU… they want to see that you have made changes to your situation and/or surroundings, and i haven’t.)
i don’t feel any better for it. if anything i’d say slightly i feel slightly worse off as i’ve not got anything to help “balance” me out when feeling stressed or pissed off. i’m not much of a drinker and as such have ended up with a few heavy hangovers when i have had a drink. maybe on those occasions that i have had a few beers i’ve over compensated for the fact i can’t be getting my “buzz” by other means.now have a slightly awkward period of limbo waiting to hear from the town hall.
makecoldplayhistoryFree MemberGlad’s it’s getting toward a conclusion Alpin albeit a **** expensive one.
I used to smoke a lot, the weed was easy. I just gave it up one day and similarly to you, felt no different. £15 a week better off perhaps.
I do (and did) wonder if that;s because the THC took longer to escape my system so it meant improvement was so gradual I didn’t notice it.
brFree Memberthe other oddity is that i can decide when the 30 day ban should begin. not sure if this is the case in the UK. the GF and i are off for 3.5 weeks over New Year so will hopefully be able to have it begin mid December without too much of an impact on my work.[/I]
And only applies to Germany, ie you can still drive elsewhere, or has that changed now?
molgripsFree MemberInteresting thread although not particularly dramatic. The system sounds like it’s pretty oppressive though..
alpinFree Membersorry moly… maybe i would be more entertaining for you if i was going to be probed up my bum because they thought i was hiding drugs up there, but fortunately for me they don’t and i’m not…. 😀
yes, b r, it applies to Germany. they cannot revoke my UK license, only issue a German wide ban. fortunately i live about 45 mins from the Austrian border so my GF doesn’t have to suffer me as a passenger for too long…
footflapsFull Memberthe other oddity is that i can decide when the 30 day ban should begin. not sure if this is the case in the UK.
Same in Switzerland, our head of Sales used to schedule his bans with overseas sales trips, so he wasn’t inconvenienced….
andytherocketeerFull MemberNot sure how much flexibility there is in choosing when the 30day ban starts, but I’m certainly aware of people around here who handed their German licence over to the townhall (or wherever) the day before catching their flights for a summer holiday.
In Germany, 3-4 weeks is quite normal for a summer holiday 😉
That was for speeding too many times.
Pretty sure at least one had no issues whatsoever renting car in the Canaries or somewhere during that 30 day ban.alpinFree Member30 day ban has to be done within 3 months of the KVR (town hall type place) getting back to me.
then down to the KVR people/person whether or not i have to do the MPU.
enfhtFree MemberCongrats on the result. The Germans must be working on the premise that THC Metabolites *DO* reduce driving ability. Where do they get their evidence?
Edit: before you sharpen your pitchforks I’m just talking Metabolites..
Tom_W1987Free MemberI seem to remember, a long time ago in a land far far away during a haze of booze and drugs – that I was doing my BMedSci and I read that passive exposure to pot can cause tests to register up to 4ng.
If that’s true I’d be going all Jesse Pinkman on them….
This is why you deny everything until you know what proof they have on you…. 😀
If you’d registered higher, I’d have suggested to ask for the lab documents – scientists make a lot of good documentation practice mistakes – if you really want to **** with them.
alpinFree Memberfootflaps – Member
the other oddity is that i can decide when the 30 day ban should begin. not sure if this is the case in the UK.
Same in Switzerland, our head of Sales used to schedule his bans with overseas sales trips, so he wasn’t inconvenienced….
in Switzerland anything under 3ng/ml they ignore…. much more relaxed and lenient than Germany.
@ enfht… the psycologist said they came down hard because, as we have all experienced, as a stoner you get flash backs which cause you to be stoned long after you have smoked. she said it happens when you sweat… well, i’m a pasty Englishman and can’t stand the heat and sweat as soon as i start riding or the sun comes out. never experienced it.
@ Tom…. that is great. you can argue my case in court if you want…. 😉
Tom_W1987Free MemberIm a massive know it all Alpin that spent most of my life continually trying to catch authority figures out, I do sometimes feel that I missed my calling in life by not going into criminal law.
Good luck!
gears_suckFree MemberGlad’s it’s getting toward a conclusion Alpin albeit a **** expensive one.
I used to smoke a lot, the weed was easy. I just gave it up one day and similarly to you, felt no different. £15 a week better off perhaps.
I’m struck by the lack understanding and the, me, me, me, mentality of users and recovering/recovered users in this thread.
It’s worth considering how encouraging reduction in use can have benefits for the wider community in that it reduces the amount of antisocial types and behaviour which often accompanies those that provide illegal substances.Three_FishFree Memberi don’t feel any better for it. if anything i’d say slightly i feel slightly worse off as i’ve not got anything to help “balance” me out when feeling stressed or pissed off
So it’s a crutch. Balance comes from acting and reacting in accordance with one’s experience. To overcome dependency for ‘survival’, one must learn to act and react without the crutch.
tjagainFull MemberAntisocial behaviours from Cannabis smokers? they are a bit boring but that is all and cannabis is not addictive in any way. Want to stop smoking Just stop. You might be grumpy for a few days
Three_FishFree Membercannabis is not addictive in any way.
Cannabis is/can be habit forming. In their extreme, these habits can describe addiction.
5thElefantFree MemberI’m struck by the lack understanding and the, me, me, me, mentality of users and recovering/recovered users in this thread.
It’s worth considering how encouraging reduction in use can have benefits for the wider community in that it reduces the amount of antisocial types and behaviour which often accompanies those that provide illegal substances.Just make the substances legal and the behaviour which often accompanies those that provide illegal substances disappears.
ferralsFree MemberThree_Fish – Member
cannabis is not addictive in any way.
CannabisCycling is/can be habit forming. In their extreme, these habits can describe addiction.JackHammerFull MemberIn case any of want to spout anymore BS, try listening to this.
https://www.acast.com/saywhytodrugs/cannabis
Dispells loads of the myths surrounding cannabis and is pretty informative without bogging down in the intricacies of the science.
teaselFree Member‘s good, that. I like that they’re starting to account for the difference in type of person that would sample and continue to use cannabis as opposed to those that haven’t or sample but don’t continue to use when analysing its psychological effects. A definite step forward.
Thanks for the link.
TimothyDFree MemberFor the people saying ‘No sympathy and because you felt fine doesn’t mean your were…’ It seems like heavy smokers can be ‘fine-r’ when high or over the limit than less heaver smokers can be.
SandwichFull MemberI would expect the crunch to come when the time limits on proving the OP is clean, has remained clean and the court mandated assessments etc are all done. It’s a little like the Stoptober and dry January things that habitual drinkers do to prove they don’t have a problem. Good luck with your choices Alpin.
EDIT must work on my typing skills.
alpinFree MemberAfter four awesome days in South Tyrol riding I’ve come home to find aletter from the Pozilei asking for 770€…. ouch.
500€ for the offence, 25€ administration fee, 3,50€ for “costs” plus 240€ for Pozilei expenses….!
Cheeky gits want me to pay for the test that got me into this trouble!
I’ve got to choose atime within the next four months to begin my 30 day ban. It is unclear whether the ban is solely for Schermany or for überall. I’m supposed to give them my license for the duration.
Can I drive on my paper license if they have my card?
Cheers, Sandwich….
gears_suckFree MemberAlready a plan to deliberately further break the law, and self pity doesn’t count for remorse.
Well done.alpinFree MemberAlready a plan to deliberately further break the law
it is unclear whether the ban is for Germany or for everywhere… even my state prosecutor friend isn’t sure due to the wording of the letter.
i’ll accept that i can not drive in Germany. i’ll accepot that i can not drive at all if that is the case. if however the ban only refers to German roads then i’ll happily drive in Austria & Italy using my paper license.
not planning on breaking the law on this one. i need my license.
Why not live by the law of the land?
because they are sometimes shite….
P-JayFree Memberalpin – Member
Can I drive on my paper license if they have my card?
Cheers, Sandwich….
Assuming it’s a UK license, or German ones are the same as ours your paper bit has been obsolete for a while now, but you don’t need to have a license on you to drive, in the UK at least.
Whether other countries require drivers to have their licenses on them I don’t know, but I don’t think anyone’s been asked to show theirs coming off the ferry at Calais.
cchris2louFull MemberA driving ban is to stop you driving. Taking your licence away is the most practical way to do it.
Surely it applies everywhere.
In France you need to have your licence and car documentation with you.ghostlymachineFree MemberAFAIK for speeding offences it’s only the issuing countries bans that are EU wide. So as a UK licence holder the Germans can only ban you in Germany. They’re are some local exceptions (Den/Swe/Nor and Esp/Port from what I can remember. UK/Eire as well, maybe)
For everything else it’s almost always EU wide. Drink, drugs, dangerous driving etc.
mrlebowskiFree MemberCan I drive on my paper license if they have my card?
Suck it up alpin – if you’re banned & caught again…..is it really worth that aggravation?
seosamh77Free Memberwhy don’t you ask the german police, tbh I’d imagine their reach is only within the german borders.
EdukatorFree MemberA person with a British or German license who gets a ban and their license taken off them while on holiday in France can ask for their license back when they leave France. If they do this they have to leave France within three days. Most agreements being reciprocal I suspect you can ask for your British license back if you leave Germany and don’t go back.
For Brits and Germans resident in France the only way to get the license back is to apply for a French one which is issued when the ban ends.
Not sure if this helps.
FrankensteinFree MemberIs it really worth losing your licence longer than the temp ban?
Seriously.
You are so lucky with only a 30 days ban.Then you want to drive around while banned.
I have to agree with Hora (and that is saying something) unless you’re saving the world James Bond style.You’re lucky you didn’t kill a cyclist.
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