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If you caught your kids smoking weed......
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You've got to be realistic though, haven't you? Anyone who claims the crappy hash and weak weed we were smoking 20 years ago is the same potency as what's been around for the last 10 years or so is missing the point a little.
We were able to smoke in a mates garage (during "band practice") under a sort of "don't ask dont tell" policy seemingly instigated by his parents. There is no way on earth that what we were smoking was similar to what you will get for the same money today.
The stoner culture doesn't seem to have changed too much, whereas the major variable has.
I don't have children, but I'd like to think that if or when I do I'd be able to provide them with this little nugget of fact.
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I would beat the sh*t out of them in an old fashioned Scottish father way, then hunt down the scum who sold it to them and further educate them.
Once they are adult you can't stop them stuffing their lives, but you have a moral duty to protect your children even if it means going to extremes.
I'm not sure how beating my kids up would protect them, guess I never did understand tough love. I'm 100% sure if I did it, the first thing in their minds would be, 'lets go out and have a crafty spliff, that'll show the bastard.'
....so what I do with my lad is educate him early about the dangers of drug use in a sensible manner. There are soft and hard drugs and some are addictive and some aren't. He then talks to me in an open and frank manner about the kids he knows who take drugs and drink and by maintaining this level of trust (rather than fear), we ensure all problems are quickly dealt with.
It'll be my own fault if he becomes a smack head though, obviously.
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get them to roll a fat one!
well maybe not - the worst thing for me is it's a gateay drug - to a tabacco addiction.
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I got the lecture of my mum about the evil's of drugs and what would happen if she caught me. Well she did catch me smoking a joint one day and she seemed to have had a chance of heart, she came out with "well at least your unlikely to be getting into fight's and other such trouble whilst your stoned and it probably safer that your in someone's flat than on the street". I spent the next 15 year's smashed and sometimes i wish i hadn't, i had good times, lot's of good times, only 1 or 2 bad times, and some very bored times staring at the ceiling cause i couldn't do **** all else. In the end i got bored of being stoned so i stopped, i still have the very occasional joint if one is passed my way. As for what would i do if my daughter start's smoking it when she is older, well i'll cross that bridge if it happen's, somehow though if it does i have a sneaky suspicion that i'll end up having a smoke with her, old habit's die hard.
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a right bag o snakes, this one.
On the one hand, you know where they are & what they're up to.
On the other hand it is illegal and you could be in deep doodoo if any of them are caught
and now we've run out of hands...do they get hooked on weed, or on the tobacco that often goes with it?
And if hooked on the weed, do they then go onto harder drugs? not always - that depends on the personality of each individual user.I had a mate who had an addictive personality. I was in a band with him for about 5 years, then I moved away. He started on cigarettes. Then booze - Special Brew was his favourite tipple. Dope. yeah, why not, makes the spesh taste better. ooh what's that white powder on the mirror? gimme gimme. aceeed?!?!? yes please
I saw all this very close up and, although I did experiment, I always had him at the back of my mind. My new friends sometimes laughed at me when I said "no ta", but I knew I was right.
About 5 years ago he decided to clean up his act, get rid of the fags, coke, speed, dope, everything. So he went to a 'self help' group, and met a lass who was a smackhead.
he's dead now.
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Not sure what I'd do... I've been a fairly heavy smoker, and a casual smoker, not really touching it at all just now but just because it's not really been in my scene lately rather than a decision not to. If there's one thing that undermined my trust and faith in my parents, it's hypocrisy, and I guess I'd bear that in mind. I couldn't say to them "Stay off the grass" because I haven't, and I haven't come to any harm at all from it, and I've had some very happy times with a little smoke in my lungs- and it's helped me through some bad times. It's been a positive influence on my life, fundamentally.
But still, I wouldn't be too happy with it... Partly because I've seen that it can, in rare cases, lead people bad places. I think that the whole "gateway drug" thing is fundamentally complete cock, but there's no denying weed can do you a lot of harm... Some people dive too deep into it, others get nicked for it, some fall into bad company. And some people coincidentally start doing stronger drugs. The fact that I've been a casual weed smoker with no ill effects for half my life doesn't mean they'll be the same.
But, Just Say No is such a discredited message, if you tell your kids "Weed screws you up" and they look around and see themselves and their friends doing just fine, and having a great time, and being in better shape than their heavy drinking mates, then they're not going to pay too much attention if you ever have to say "crack screws you up"- you've already blown your credibility.
So I guess, I'd try and have an actual adult conversation about it, tell them my honest feelings on it, make sure they understand where I'm coming from, find out what they think about it. This is what my mum and dad called parenting- it worked.
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Didn't expect this one to carry on! I guess a slight majority (I'm ready to be corrected on this!) of you are saying you would accept with conditions attached on the grounds of knowing where your kids are and be there on hand if need be.....after discussions, education, more discussions and conditions. Those are my opinions too.
My two are 15 and 13 and very social. 15yr old says a few of her friends smoke weed and that most of them drink....she claims never to have smoked and will never try it and I believe her. She's always had a glass of wine with her meals when we do at home and she respects alcohol, I pick her up most fri and sat nights and never drunk yet. Discussed it with wife before now and she just says hope we never have to cross that bridge.....and so do I. Both kids know I smoke and they havent got a problem with it.
And for those of you who arent too sure us older ones dont go around saying 'wow man' and talking with the fairies constantly eating chocolate and going apple green thus ruining family life. For me its a relaxant and makes me enjoy life picking up on things, opening my eyes. For god sake I live with three women and if they are all on their periods at the same time the walks alone across the fields with the dog (a bitch!!) and a big spliff as the sun is setting is a great soother. If I had alcohol instead of weed I know I wouldnt do half the things i do (yes, I could go without either before anyone asks me but i decide to have a smoke after a day at work as oppossed to drink, my choice) No disrespect to women there by the way, I havent seen any replies from females? But i can also see that someone else with a different personality could just sit there and watch Jeremy Kyle all day letting life pass them aimlessly away.
Dont think I'll go down the beat the crap out of them road as I want them to like me forever and not turn in to some rebelious hooded little sh*t out to prove lots and lots of points to society.
Huge difference between class B and A, thats a different conversation althogether, but I do remember wanting to phone my folks when I was on one (e's) telling them they should try it as its the best thing that could ever happen to them - I'm glad i never did!
As for the parents who let us use their house - no, it didnt make them cool, if they thought that we were going to think that then I'm pretty sure they wouldnt have let us as it wasnt about that. We were, and still are, respectable and respectful to all parents and we all got on with each others parents fine....maybe if we didnt then we wouldnt have smoked there? Lots and lots of factors to consider, each case different, hope I never have to make that decision but if I do I'm pretty certain it would be a yes but keep it very discreet and dont take the p*ss......and give me a shout when you have a smoke!
Nobody going to sugeest a smoke and ride meet this weekend??! Could be some tasty cakes too! Infact, is that what some posts are referring to when they say Mrs 'X' will bake the cakes again to bring on the ride??
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Having seen drug addiction in a very close family memeber that ultimatly started from smoking weed i'd say no.
I agree education works to a degree but I do think that it is a parents responsibilty not to alow what is an illegal act.
Also smoking of any kind is stupid, plain and simple.
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My parents never caught me- I guess thats the case with most families (including those where the parents find out too late that their kid went one step).
Thing is- if its going to happen (i.e. lead on), it will anyway. You can only teach your children soo much- most of it is down to the kids mental makeup itself. Remember, certain kids you wouldnt let walk to the shop/out of the house on their own (just not streetwise/clued up to cars/hazzards etc from a young age)- ergo this continues- and..if you let them smoke it in the house well its a blanket approach to a problem- trying to be 'liberal' to make them think its uncool. You know your kid- from when he/she was 3yrs old upwards. Judge your response that way.
BTW - a bestmate of mine went loopy and is in a mental hospital following weed, then mushrooms... He started at the sametime as I did.
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Have seen too many awful things including the death of one extremely talented guy I knew who never reached his musical potential
Quite a few people I knew ended up with serious mental health problems, attempted suicide etc.
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I'm not a parent - only 18.
But when/if I ever have kids, this would be a real dilemma for me, its really got me thinking.
I have never smoked weed or even smoked at all. But my life has definitely been affected by weed. My cousin who I was very close to, started smoking it at around 16 and has been in and out of mental hospitals since - hes now 24. Mental illness was already is that side of the family, his grandmother had suffered from it. The weed seemed to instantly bring it out and he has never been the same since.
At around 16 all my friends started smoking it, I didn't want to, so I didn't. Since then, most of them were expelled from school, dropped out of college.. etc. I had to find a whole new group of friends and slowly distance myself from them. It was and still is very upsetting to watch how they are all, with only 1 exception, wasting their lives away.
So, in answer to the question.
I haven't got a clue. I'd want to keep them safe but obviously want to stop them at the same time. I think that if I do have kids I will just try and teach them from a young age not to try it and hope that works.
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Should have said that I do have kids and told them about my and my friends experiences. Reckon my distress was noticed.
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For every horror story of drug use their are thousands of users who are unharmed by the experience.
Just replace the word drug for alcohol in that sentence if you disagree with it.
Some people develop issues with drug use but MOST dont.Posted 2 years ago # -
Indeed. I know extremely succesful, extremely coherant, intelligent and sociable individuals who smoke copious amounts of weed, proper strong stuff too. I'd also argue that they are the amazing people they are, partially because they smoke weed. I think lots of people can become far more creative and innovative simpy by ingesting certain drugs, the music scene is a superb example of this. I'd suggest that many of the finest popular music ever would never have existed without the use of recreational drugs and that would be a bad thing.
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I had a great time when I was younger and to be honest I'd quite like my kids to have their own, maybe similar maybe not, experiences as they grow up, I'd be worried of course that they would be damaged in some way, hopefully they won't throw their lives away like me and end up working in IT. Seems even copious amounts of weed wasn't enough to make up for a lack of creative talent
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To go back to the OP.
I am not a parent but my nephew (who is dutch) asked me if I had ever smoked and what did I think about it when he was 15.
I didn't really know what to say to him but he is a smart lad so I thought the truth as I knew it wa the best answer which was: I have smoked. It can be harmless, it can be a bad thing. It can lead you into nicotine addiction easily which is what happened to me, if you have nothing else in your life it can make you very dull indeed and lead to a wasted life. If you have other things in your life then it won't take over. it ain't good for your lungs and some folk it sends crackers. Like most things in life moderation is the key.
Interestingly because he is dutch and weed is available easily it actually seems to have less attraction for the kids as there is no naughty rebellious glamour associated with it. probably less kids there smoke than do here - most of the smokers are adults.
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What would Jacqui Smith do?
Far more importantly, what would RudeBoy do?
Indeed, far more important...
I can't be bothered to read some of the long posts above, because quite frankly, my memory is not capable of concentrating long enough for the period of time it would take to read them. That, and they're probbly boring reconstiututed waffle that's been spouted countless times before, about this kind of subject.
Q: Would you let yer kids drink? Not illicitly, with a bottle of blue booze in the local park, I mean a little glass of something at family do's, weddings, parties, etc.
If the answer is yes, then I can't see as you can have a real moral objection to them smoking dope, as alcohol is actually a far more destructive drug socially, and by allowing them to drink, you're condoning the consumption of such.
My mum found an eighth me and me mates had chipped in for, once. I'd just scored it. Down the bog it went; oh, what joy, explaining that one to me mates. She also threw away my best porno mag (well, it was a spesh edition of German Playboy, belonging to me mate, actually).
I ended up going round me next door neighbour's place, and smoke there. My mum weren't happy at first, but me neighbour explained 'he'll be out smoking on the street, so maybe it's better he's indoors at mine, where he won't get nicked'. That, she saw the logic in. She never condoned my behaviour, but din't get all hysterical over it.
Having smoked for many years, I appreciate the dangers of dope; the long term psychological effects aren't to be ignored, for sure. But people will experiment. If I had kids, I doubt I could be a hypocrit and stop them from smoking dope, considering I did it as a yute. I spose if they were under 16, I'd do me utmost to prevent them, but what you gonna do, when they're outside where you can't see them?
I'd endeavour at least to educate them propply, on the dangers of abusing drugs, but be honest and open with them. Fore warned is fore armed.
Having been there myself, there's no way any kids of mine could ever hide it from me. I'd find there little stash plots!
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One of my instant thoughts are that I would be well and truly miffed if they (my theoretical kids) smoked tobacco with it - a physical addiction is not the same as a psychological/social addiction to deal with.
Would I let them smoke? I guess it depends on the person! A friend of mine is some old hippy-type 'dude' and I think he son (who's at uni) enjoy's a bit of stuff to expand his mind (mushrooms) but knowing him and his lad, it is known that it would not be permanent, just a 'phase' as he is more than educated (in both senses).
Now if I found out they were buying coke/ecstasy/ketamine, i'd be pretty upset and want to deal with it - the same goes as heavy drinking!!
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Jon - I wouldn't put Es in the same category as coke. its much less powerful and damaging. Es make you lovey dovey and mellow - coke makes you obnoxious gobby arsehole
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I admit I havent read the whole thread but when I was in my early teens (i.e. pre legal drinking age) a load of us used to go over to a mates house and snoke pot. Likewise his parents knew full well what we were doing but took the view that they would rather us do that in the house rather than roam the streets/sit in parks etc.
I dont have kids but from my upbringing I imagine that I'll take the stance that I'd rather let my kids get away with certain things within my four walls and under my supervision than to sit in parks drinking and smoking etc. Although I would endeavour to steer them away from casual drug use but most kids are pretty impressionable arent they.
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Didn't have time to read the post but i have a friend who has a professional opinion on this and as we are both ex smokers, we are not exactlt anti drugs.
The problem lies in the fact that the THC or TCH (whichever?) content has gone from 3% to 15 to 20% and due to this there are lots of people having head problems.. Not good for you, never mind your kids.
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Good point Mugboo. Do all illict drug makers follow the same ingredients/manufacturing standards? Not too long ago I smoked some Skunk and had to stop- it was mental. Its always been strong- but this time even though I only had two draws I was mentally in the pits for over 3days. Ive always been 'sensitive' to weed but the 3day depression, well no thanks.
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cinnamon_girl - Member
Should have said that I do have kids and told them about my and my friends experiences. Reckon my distress was noticed.
Go on - was it pink elephants?
An old mate of mine was a gamekeeper who enjoyed a few too many 'smokes'. He realised it was time to pack it in when he awoke one night and a rabbit was sitting on the bed with a shotgun. Every time he hid under the covers and peered back out again their was the rabbit with a 12 bore still pointing at him!
(we did have a good laugh about this one at the time but I guess it was a pretty serious mind **** as he stopped)
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to the OP, yes i would, but you prob guessed that anyway.
used to smoke at a mates house. his folks were left-over hippies. really nice people with a successful business.
i would rather have an element of control and trust over the situation. that and when my stash ran out i could blackmail them into giving me some of theirs.....
"i'll tell ya mum...."
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these are all very insular opinions
if you're talking about educating your kids about the social and health problems related to recreational drug use then maybe you should tell them about the wider implications and where their money is ultimately going, what it is funding and how it is impacting not just their lives, but their local community, fuelling the greedy and power-hungry criminals in organised crime and enabling all sorts of horrific people to do all sorts of horrific things here and overseas
you may be fortunate enough that your kids end up being well-balanced, upstanding individuals - but think about other people's kids who might see their brothers, sisters, families or friends end up deadPosted 2 years ago # -
sorry if that sounds a bit preachy, but your kids need to be made aware of the wider implications
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If I caught my kids smoking dope I'd march them down to the front of the local nick and make them smoke all they had in front of the police with a placard saying
'I'm smoking weed - in spite of all my parents have said. I also realise that I am, through my actions, sponsoring local criminal activity and possibly even terrorists. My dad says he is not paying his national health insurance so I can **** up like this - you deal with it'
Fair to say I don't tolerate drugs.....
(Christ! I suddenly realise being from Ulster does not mean I'm necessarily a 'moderate'):roll:
Think that's what I alluded to in my earlier response...
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maybe you should tell them about the wider implications and where their money is ultimately going, what it is funding and how it is impacting not just their lives, but their local community, fuelling the greedy and power-hungry criminals in organised crime and enabling all sorts of horrific people to do all sorts of horrific things here and overseas
Same could be said of all sorts of 'legitimate' industries, though. Sweatshops, toxic chemicals, dangerous working conditions, slave wages, dodgy regimes, etc, etc...
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yes, and the rest of the world's ills that we choose to remain blissfully ignorant of, but the line of sight here is a lot more obvious and a lot easier to do something about
stop buying drugs
(or grow your own)
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brakes - Member
.................then maybe you should tell them about the wider implications and where their money is ultimately going, what it is funding and how it is impacting not just their lives, but their local community, fuelling the greedy and power-hungry criminals in organised crime and enabling all sorts of horrific people to do all sorts of horrific things here and overseas
This I think is a very valid point. I often think of the stereotype of the middle class dinner party with its organic veg and voting green =where the coke comes out with the coffee. Cocaine has fecked up Columbia totally. A conveniently forgotten aspect
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Growing your own is much more socially responsible then...
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We've always taken the attitude that we grew up OK after doing things that would have horrified our parents back then (we got together in 1969 btw), so we would never shout at our kids for doing what we did. But we took a lot of effort to make sure they grew up as good people.
So yes they all drink, smoke weed and shag, but are none the worse for it.
But it does get me that when I was young my parents used to shout "turn that awful music down" and you had to hide your stash from them. Now its my kids shouting that at us.
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you should tell them about the wider implications and where their money is ultimately going, what it is funding and how it is impacting not just their lives, but their local community, fuelling the greedy and power-hungry criminals in organised crime and enabling all sorts of horrific people to do all sorts of horrific things here and overseas
Surely that is argument for legalising/decriminalising?
To remove it from the hands of criminals is surely a good thing as its legal status has very little if any effect on it use?
Holland has lower rates of usage than we do BTW.
PS you are 13 you want to get smashed what is easier to get hold of alcohol (legal and restricted ) or drugs supplied by (some are anyway)amoral criminals? Again legalising/decriminalising would actually make it harder for young people to get hold of it.
The war on Drugs cannot be won by anything other than education.Posted 2 years ago #
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